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Reply 60

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by 86501
I'm shocked this thread is still going. There is no order. Nobody at graduate recruitment has sat down and made a list of favourite degrees that would somehow impact your application. My intake of 8 people into my department (public sector audit) includes a philosopher and a biologist, people fresh from uni and people that had worked in other (unrelated) industries before etc. For what it's worth I did economics at a Russell Group and went straight from uni to work. Everybody is very different and departments benefit from that variety.

I think an overlooked reason why the Big 4 will have target universities is also a simple matter of geography, it's a lot easier for them to target somewhere that they have an office. Most events are in the evening and require sending graduates that have been at work all day, it wouldn't be particularly easy to assemble a team of people to go out to Aberystwyth when there's no offices anywhere near.

If you've got the minimum requirements then it will get you through that section of your application, as simple as that. There are far more important reasons for your choice of university.


The points made in bold:

Which of the big 4 have an office in Cambridge and Oxford?

What do you class as minimum? - AAB + 2.1 from russel/1994 group or is anything lower acceptable

what reasons can there be? Surely the main reason for going to university and collecting the debt is that your piece of paper improves your career prospects and job opportunities. Therefore choosing universities which are targeted would be important.

Reply 61

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by Kemik
No recruiter or partner argues that haha.


I didn't say they did. I just pointed out some valid reasons as to why the decision to do an A&F degree over any other discipline when looking to join Big 4 isn't that important.

I notice you're an A&F grad. :tongue:

Reply 62

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by Vodking
I didn't say they did. I just pointed out some valid reasons as to why the decision to do an A&F degree over any other discipline when looking to join Big 4 isn't that important.

I notice you're an A&F grad. :tongue:


Yup and I've been through the exams. I can honestly say A&F students have found them easier than non A&F because we already understand the concepts and can draw from a wider knowledge base. The exemptions definitely help the stress levels!

Reply 63

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by ...mo...
The points made in bold:

Which of the big 4 have an office in Cambridge and Oxford?

What do you class as minimum? - AAB + 2.1 from russel/1994 group or is anything lower acceptable

what reasons can there be? Surely the main reason for going to university and collecting the debt is that your piece of paper improves your career prospects and job opportunities. Therefore choosing universities which are targeted would be important.


I don't know the office structure of every big 4 - however at KPMG we have a Cambridge office and a Reading office, with Reading about 20-30 minutes from Oxford, so they're pretty easy distances to travel. I don't doubt that it's hard to prove any causality when big cities often have big universities and us situated in them, I'm just throwing it out there as another reason for the choices.

I class as minimum exactly what it says on the employer websites. Per the KPMG website, they're as follows:


Academic requirements for graduate programmes to start in 2012:
As a general rule, you’ll be expected to meet the following requirements:

Minimum grade B GCSE* Maths and minimum grade B GCSE* English Language

Minimum of 320 UCAS Tariff points* (or 26 UCAS points)

Minimum 2:1 degree in any discipline.

Please note, that we only consider a candidate’s 'top' 3 A-level grades and do not accept General Studies.

* Or equivalent


Re: uni choice, that's a different debate. You're questioning why go to university at all, I'm talking about what you should base the choice between 2 different universities on. I'm assuming people have made the decision to go to university, otherwise why ask which university to apply to?

I firmly believe some notion of a university giving you a better chance of getting into the Big 4 is completely the wrong reason to apply. There just isn't the level of distinction and I doubt most people are making choices between a 'prestigious' Russell Group uni and a much lower reputation university anyway, generally the questions on here are about a choice like Manchester v Bristol (random example).

There are so many other factors you need to take into account, things like whether you want to be in a city, whether you want a campus uni, the general feel of the place, the type of research they do etc. that might impact on the experience and enjoyment you get at that university so much more than it will on your job application.

And here's the most important thing - what trumps all else is what grade you get at uni. If it's below a 2.1, the Big 4 aren't looking at you. If you go to the university that you feel you'll be most at home at and get the most enjoyment from, that is where you're most likely to get the degree you need. Now that really will make a difference as to whether they accept you.

Reply 64

competencies :bawling:

Reply 65

Original post
by 86501
I don't know the office structure of every big 4 - however at KPMG we have a Cambridge office and a Reading office, with Reading about 20-30 minutes from Oxford, so they're pretty easy distances to travel. I don't doubt that it's hard to prove any causality when big cities often have big universities and us situated in them, I'm just throwing it out there as another reason for the choices.

I class as minimum exactly what it says on the employer websites. Per the KPMG website, they're as follows:



Re: uni choice, that's a different debate. You're questioning why go to university at all, I'm talking about what you should base the choice between 2 different universities on. I'm assuming people have made the decision to go to university, otherwise why ask which university to apply to?

I firmly believe some notion of a university giving you a better chance of getting into the Big 4 is completely the wrong reason to apply. There just isn't the level of distinction and I doubt most people are making choices between a 'prestigious' Russell Group uni and a much lower reputation university anyway, generally the questions on here are about a choice like Manchester v Bristol (random example).

There are so many other factors you need to take into account, things like whether you want to be in a city, whether you want a campus uni, the general feel of the place, the type of research they do etc. that might impact on the experience and enjoyment you get at that university so much more than it will on your job application.

And here's the most important thing - what trumps all else is what grade you get at uni. If it's below a 2.1, the Big 4 aren't looking at you. If you go to the university that you feel you'll be most at home at and get the most enjoyment from, that is where you're most likely to get the degree you need. Now that really will make a difference as to whether they accept you.


ok thanks.

I have chosen 4 unis

AAB x2
AAA x2

I think i might get AAA/A*AB

should I choose a BBB uni for safety or a A*AA uni for hope that i will get in?

Help

Thanks

Reply 66

I'm afraid I don't really think anyone can make that decision but you. All I would say is that BBB seems a long way from your predicted grades, but I certainly understand the desire to leave yourself some wiggle room.

You need to base it on factors like:
- Is the A*AA uni you would apply to somewhere you would definitely want to make your first choice? Higher requirements doesn't automatically mean better experience.
- What are your predicted grades?
- How did you do in your AS levels?

And I'm sure there's so many more. Sorry, I appreciate it's not a conclusive answer but it's an important personal decision and I wouldn't want to try and take it for you.

Reply 67

I've seen most candidates at interviews from Russell Group universities. I was at a Top4 firm in Manchester and most the candidates were from UoManchester, then others from the likes of Leeds, Sheffield..

Reply 68

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by Amit92
I've seen most candidates at interviews from Russell Group universities. I was at a Top4 firm in Manchester and most the candidates were from UoManchester, then others from the likes of Leeds, Sheffield..


Did all the UoM candidates do an accounting course?

Reply 69

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by franzk
Did all the UoM candidates do an accounting course?


Probably not. They DGAF if you've done accounting or not.

Reply 70

Lol at everyone that thinks they don't take which university into account and even bigger lol at people that don't think course matters at all.

Reply 71

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by ok_cub2008
Lol at everyone that thinks they don't take which university into account and even bigger lol at people that don't think course matters at all.


I'll take the bait. I'd like to see you present some evidence otherwise. Various people on this thread that work for Big 4 firms have confirmed it and that we work with people with a wide variety of degrees from a variety of universities (again, 8 in my intake, including non-Russell groups and degrees such as philosophy and biology - a lot of accounting students from Russell Group unis will have been turned down).

The graduate recruitment process is tightly controlled so that even the partners when interviewing are required to score you against a series of competencies. Which university you went to is only scored on your initial application and all that matters is that you're getting the required degree level. This is even screened automatically.

Reply 72

Original post
by franzk
Did all the UoM candidates do an accounting course?


I'd say 40% of my intake (70) had some form of Accounting & Finance degree with maybe another 20% doing different business degrees such as Marketing.

Reply 73

Guy from my AC doing Economics at Cambridge got rejected for Big 4 Corporate Finance.. I go to Queen Mary and got the offer. It's way more about competencies.

Reply 74

Original post
by franzk
Did all the UoM candidates do an accounting course?


No, Only one person had done Accounting & Finance others had done degrees such as: Maths, Psychology, Management.

Reply 75

Original post
by Amit92
No, Only one person had done Accounting & Finance others had done degrees such as: Maths, Psychology, Management.


Hi,

by getting a 2:1 in BA economics which area so you think I have a good chance of applying to.

Will I be at a major disadvantage of attending a 1994 group uni rather than Russell Group. Also how much of a factor does a BA make compared to a BSc. Thanks

Reply 76

I have grades AAB at A-Level and will be studying at either BPP or University of Coventry (London campus) for Accounting and Finance fast-track two year programme unless I get a place on some post-graduate programmes. I'm a mature student so limited by where I can go and would prefer a fast-track option to the three year option. Would going to BPP condemn me permanently?

Reply 77

University of Coventry have a London campus? What will the polys do next?

Reply 78

Original post
by ...mo...
Hi,

by getting a 2:1 in BA economics which area so you think I have a good chance of applying to.

Will I be at a major disadvantage of attending a 1994 group uni rather than Russell Group. Also how much of a factor does a BA make compared to a BSc. Thanks


Depends which 1994Group uni?

Reply 79

Original post
by ...mo...
Hi,

by getting a 2:1 in BA economics which area so you think I have a good chance of applying to.

Will I be at a major disadvantage of attending a 1994 group uni rather than Russell Group. Also how much of a factor does a BA make compared to a BSc. Thanks


The University you go to and the course you do has no impact on the chances of getting a job with the Big Four.
(edited 14 years ago)

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