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I am a French boy currently studying French law and common law at Panthéon-Assas university (my first year). I am considering applying to Oxford university in october. Indeed, after having been introduced to French law and common law, I definitely feel closer to the anglo-saxon legal framework, rather than the French one. Nevertheless, I still feel the need to study French law as I believe knowing both legal systems would not cause any harm to me. Still, as French law is my main major in Paris, I am expecting to have common law as my main major in the UK and a sideline study of French law. (Basically, I would prefer to study more in deepth common law, judging that we do not have so much hours reserved for English law... unfortunately). I also plan on living in England, hence my purpose to study in the UK.
Thus, I wish to be into Oxford with a Law and LSE (French law obviously) major.
I want to be a sollicitor when I grow up, and probably specialise in Human Rights.

That being said, I was wondering if anyone could give me his/her opinion regarding my profile. Oxford requiers French baccalaureat with an average score of 16/20 and I had 16,41/20.
I will not list my acheivements/hobbies but I can quickly outline them : I have been the leader of my basketball team for 10 years at a regional level (we finished 2nd at the 2012 championship). I carried out a fundraising in my highschool in order to help refugees in Calais.
I also regularly took part in debates in English as part of the Assas Debating Society, organised every wednesday for 2 hours. Besides, I read the Guardian on a daily basis, as well as I do listen to the BBC channel 5, and when I have got time, I watch debates and committee meetings of the British Parliament.
To finish with, I plan to volunteer in England this summer, despite it is hard to find an association accepting foreign students, but I will for sure eventually find a great association.

Do you think the fact that I am French and that I have already been introduced to French law and common law would be an advantage for my application or would it be a contrario a drawback ?
Do you think I can expect to be offered an interview ?

Nota bene : I am exercising for the EILTS and the LNAT (I did the #1 LNAT Practice test and got 23/42... got to improve).

Thank you for your consideration. I wish you a great day, waiting for your answers.


Fun fact : Panthéon-Assas is in partnership with Oxford university. ^^
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Dear fellow members,

I am a French boy currently studying French law and common law at Panthéon-Assas university (my first year). I am considering applying to Oxford university in october. Indeed, after having been introduced to French law and common law, I definitely feel closer to the anglo-saxon legal framework, rather than the French one. Nevertheless, I still feel the need to study French law as I believe knowing both legal systems would not cause any harm to me. Still, as French law is my main major in Paris, I am expecting to have common law as my main major in the UK and a sideline study of French law. (Basically, I would prefer to study more in deepth common law, judging that we do not have so much hours reserved for English law... unfortunately). I also plan on living in England, hence my purpose to study in the UK.
Thus, I wish to be into Oxford with a Law and LSE (French law obviously) major.
I want to be a sollicitor when I grow up, and probably specialise in Human Rights.

That being said, I was wondering if anyone could give me his/her opinion regarding my profile. Oxford requiers French baccalaureat with an average score of 16/20 and I had 16,41/20.
I will not list my acheivements/hobbies but I can quickly outline them : I have been the leader of my basketball team for 10 years at a regional level (we finished 2nd at the 2012 championship). I carried out a fundraising in my highschool in order to help refugees in Calais. As I am living alone in an apartment in Paris, I also sheltered an homeless French old man for a few weeks and helped him to promote his right to housing and thus managed to get him a compensation because the State could not provide him a housing. I also regularly took part in debates in English as part of the Assas Debating Society, organised every wednesday for 2 hours. Besides, I read the Guardian on a daily basis, as well as I do listen to the BBC channel 5, and when I have got time, I watch debates and committee meetings of the British Parliament.
To finish with, I plan to volunteer in England this summer, despite it is hard to find an association accepting foreign students, but I will for sure eventually find a great association.

Do you think the fact that I am French and that I have already been introduced to French law and common law would be an advantage for my application or would it be -a contrario- a drawback ?
Do you think I can expect to be offered an interview ?


Thank you for your consideration. I wish you a great day, waiting for your answers.


Fun fact : Panthéon-Assas is in partnership with Oxford university. ^^
You seem to meet the basic grade requirement and you have number of non academic achievements. I suppose they may be interested in how well you are doing currently in Uni. Also, if it's something you really want to do you might as well give it a try! no point wondering, just do it! if they like you and think you are suitable by application and interview and references then great ! if not then at least you know you tried (and failed, like many others)
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You seem to meet the basic grade requirement and you have number of non academic achievements. I suppose they may be interested in how well you are doing currently in Uni. Also, if it's something you really want to do you might as well give it a try! no point wondering, just do it! if they like you and think you are suitable by application and interview and references then great ! if not then at least you know you tried (and failed, like many others)
Yes, I do believe so too. I am hesitating because my mom would rather balk at my resignation from law school, in addition to the fact that I am very far from being well-off... So, I try to re-assure myself. Anyway, thank you a lot for your quick but relevant message !
(Any other thoughts would be gladly welcomed !)
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Yes, I do believe so too. I am hesitating because my mom would rather balk at my resignation from law school, in addition to the fact that I am very far from being well-off... So, I try to re-assure myself. Anyway, thank you a lot for your quick but relevant message !
(Any other thoughts would be gladly welcomed !)
I can understand your mother's concerns. However if you are able and willing to give it your best efforts its a risk worth taking. I'm sure you can apply without your uni knowing? either way its an option that is open to you.
no problem glad i could help in such a small way
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I will not list my acheivements/hobbies but I can quickly outline them
Oxford won't care about the non-law related ones.

(Original post by Ulpian)
Do you think the fact that I am French and that I have already been introduced to French law and common law would be an advantage for my application or would it be a contrario a drawback ?
Do you think I can expect to be offered an interview ?

Nota bene : I am exercising for the EILTS and the LNAT (I did the #1 LNAT Practice test and got 23/42... got to improve).
I'd focus on the LNAT more than extra-curricular activities. Academic ability and potential is what they're looking for.
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Do you think the fact that I am French and that I have already been introduced to French law and common law would be an advantage for my application or would it be a contrario a drawback ?
Do you think I can expect to be offered an interview ?
The tutors won't care about your nationality.

I think the tutors will expect more from you if you have already been studying law at university (or at least that's what I understood previously from my tutors). That's not to say that you won't get an offer, but I imagine they'll hold you to higher standards because you would obviously know more about the law (and how to think in a legal way) than school leavers.

Your grades meet the minimum requirement so whether you'll get invited for an interview will probably come down to LNAT. I don't see why not so long as you do well on the LNAT.

The other thing I would recommend is to really work on improving your English fluency. Law is all about language and linguistic nuances, so the stronger your foundation, the better.
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I can understand your mother's concerns. However if you are able and willing to give it your best efforts its a risk worth taking. I'm sure you can apply without your uni knowing? either way its an option that is open to you.
no problem glad i could help in such a small way
Yes, I will try mt luck Thanks !
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I'd focus on the LNAT more than extra-curricular activities. Academic ability and potential is what they're looking for.
Okay, then I will focus on the LNAT. Thanks for your piece of advice !
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The tutors won't care about your nationality.

I think the tutors will expect more from you if you have already been studying law at university (or at least that's what I understood previously from my tutors). That's not to say that you won't get an offer, but I imagine they'll hold you to higher standards because you would obviously know more about the law (and how to think in a legal way) than school leavers..
I guess so, I don't know their standards but I think I have learnt a lot this past year (in terms of knowledge and reasoning), we will see if it's enough.

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The other thing I would recommend is to really work on improving your English fluency. Law is all about language and linguistic nuances, so the stronger your foundation, the better.
You have a point ! I guess I will spend half of the summer getting prepared for the LNAT and the other half imrpoving my English (even though both boil down to the same thing).

Do you know what a good LNAT mark is for Oxford ? Will they give attention to my essay as well ? And if so, will they take the fact that I am not a native speaker into consideration ?

Thank you for your precious help !
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Do you know what a good LNAT mark is for Oxford ? Will they give attention to my essay as well ? And if so, will they take the fact that I am not a native speaker into consideration ?

Thank you for your precious help !
Not sure what a good LNAT mark is sorry. My college valued the LNAT essay equally to the MCQ (so 50:50) if memory serves me right, but not sure if this is true across all Oxford colleges.

No, the fact that you're non-native is irrelevant. Everyone is held to the same standards, which makes sense because otherwise people might struggle with the copious amount of readings and essay writing at Oxford.
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Not sure what a good LNAT mark is sorry. My college valued the LNAT essay equally to the MCQ (so 50:50) if memory serves me right, but not sure if this is true across all Oxford colleges.

No, the fact that you're non-native is irrelevant. Everyone is held to the same standards, which makes sense because otherwise people might struggle with the copious amount of readings and essay writing at Oxford.
Thank you for your quick reply, I totally understand... It only remains for me to work hard this summer !

Thank you again !
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