Is the EU a sinking ship?

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Are we better off out of the EU?

Italy needs to pay off its debt within two years from the EU.
High unemployment mainly amongst youths in Spain etc.
Greece is in debt
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(Original post by richard10012)
Are we better off out of the EU?

Italy needs to pay off its debt within two years from the EU.
High unemployment mainly amongst youths in Spain etc.
Greece is in debt
Yes. Not only do we avoid being tied to the failing eurozone, and avoid the fanatical eurocrats, but we can trade again with the Commonwealth and the world.
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Leaving the EU was the best thing to happen to the UK in ages. Britain can once again become Great Britain.
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No it's not. If anything it's going to end up a real united Europe with the EU level politicians gaining more and more power. The EU isn't dying it's just becoming a system I don't want to be apart of. I'm expecting others to leave or be left behind by eurozone going foreword without some other countries but overall it'll survive in one form or another because the political will is there.


(Original post by VirgoStrain)
Issues in EU countries are not because of the EU, but because of their own failing and awful governments. As you can see, Germany, the UK, Belgium, Austria etc. are not exactly floundering.
Germany is doing well because the euro is weaker then their own currency would be. It's good for exports and they are an export heavy economy. France would have recovered much better if they had the flexibility outside the euro. Even their pro-EU president admits that and has asked for reform. It's not bad for everyone but it's definitely not good for all of them either.
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(Original post by VirgoStrain)
Great Britain is the landmass of scotland, england and wales, not the UK, which includes northern ireland. Your idea of 'great britain' will become a joke if Scotland becomes independent
If Scotland becomes independent, they're the ones that will suffer.
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(Original post by richard10012)
Are we better off out of the EU?

Italy needs to pay off its debt within two years from the EU.
High unemployment mainly amongst youths in Spain etc.
Greece is in debt
The EU is the second largest, if not the largest, economy in the world. It is growing and, due to our geographical location, is not something we can ever separate ourselves from.

The conditions you've listed about have no relevance to the UK.
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No. The daily express has been predicting the Euro to hyperinflate and the EU to collapse for years now, and it just hasn't happened. Why is it so hard to accept that the EU, despite any whingey hiss-fits about democracy you might want to vent, is actually still alive and will continue to live?
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Yes. Not only do we avoid being tied to the failing eurozone, and avoid the fanatical eurocrats, but we can trade again with the Commonwealth and the world.
On WTO terms. Yay!!
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If Scotland becomes independent, they're the ones that will suffer.
Nobody else suffers?

Weird Ireland and India haven't come back...
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(Original post by VirgoStrain)
You were already doing that within the EU. Also, our currency has never been and will never be tied to the euro, so that's a non-issue. As for 'fanatical eurocrats', you're living in a dream world. The EU parliament is much more fairly democratically elected than the house of commons, and the UK has a large sphere of influence within it.
I totally agree the European parliament is more democratically elected. The only slight problem is that they can't propose or repeal a single piece of legislation. That's all done by the unelected bureaucratic Commission. And they are all 'fanatically' determined to build an EU superstate, with it's own army and air force.
No, we weren't able to make trade deals in the EU, it's a protectionist club that wasn't making deals quickly or without bureaucracy. We even gave up our seat on the WTO.
Of course our economy, and hence currency is tied to a single market that is divided north to south by poverty and 50% youth unemployment in Greece, a huge banking crisis in Italy, mass emigration in the West. Clearly this can't function as a superstate.
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On WTO terms. Yay!!
lol you have no idea. 30 countries around the world have been calling out for FREE TRADE AGREEMENTS, including the USA (our largest export market), New Zealand, Australia, etc. Possibility of a very good deal with India.
And food prices will go down once we lift tariffs on Africa set far too high by the protectionist EU.
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lol you have no idea. 30 countries around the world have been calling out for FREE TRADE AGREEMENTS, including the USA (our largest export market), New Zealand, Australia, etc. Possibility of a very good deal with India.
And food prices will go down once we lift tariffs on Africa set far too high by the protectionist EU.
No. People have been repeating this after the Daily Mail made an article and it shows who's a waste of a vote.

Australia said it will put the interests of the EU first, and in any case will only consider deals after the UK has exited.

India requires softer visa requirements for a free trade deal.

USA will make a deal that is good for them, not the UK, given they are a much stronger economy.

Food prices will not go down. The UK will have to import from the EU at higher prices. Importing from Africa and the like requires higher transport costs, which in reality will deter trade for all foods. The result will be higher prices in food imported mainly from Europe. You can't change the geography.

And, even if these countries were 'begging' for a deal, it would take years to negotiate one. So, in the years in between, it would be on WTO terms, and would be very damaging too.

Nice try.

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And food prices will go down once we lift tariffs on Africa set far too high by the protectionist EU.
Do you really believe our multi-billion pound food industry is going to stand for that? Don't forget we had a say in EU protectionism.
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lol you have no idea. 30 countries around the world have been calling out for FREE TRADE AGREEMENTS, including the USA (our largest export market), New Zealand, Australia, etc. Possibility of a very good deal with India.
And food prices will go down once we lift tariffs on Africa set far too high by the protectionist EU.
A deal with India needs a relaxation on current visa restrictions.

Trump is a big fan of free trade agreements right
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The EU is the second largest, if not the largest, economy in the world. It is growing and, due to our geographical location, is not something we can ever separate ourselves from.

The conditions you've listed about have no relevance to the UK.
The problem is that this economy doesn't have a governance.

Where have you seen that the EU is "growing".
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(Original post by richard10012)
Are we better off out of the EU?

Italy needs to pay off its debt within two years from the EU.
High unemployment mainly amongst youths in Spain etc.
Greece is in debt
These problems already existed before the EU..

(Original post by Quady)
A deal with India needs a relaxation on current visa restrictions.

Trump is a big fan of free trade agreements right
Trump said he wanted a free trade deal with the UK. There is a consensus among Democrats and Republicans for that.
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These problems already existed before the EU..



Trump said he wanted a free trade deal with the UK. There is a consensus among Democrats and Republicans for that.
Cool. So we'll be able to sell cars into the US tarriff free?
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Cool. So we'll be able to sell cars into the US tarriff free?
That's what a free trade deal is about...
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The problem is that this economy doesn't have a governance.

Where have you seen that the EU is "growing".
Scotland could leave the UK, but someone would veto them from Joining, Turkey will join the EU giving the EU more radical islam- glad we are out
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That's what a free trade deal is about...
I look forward to being able to flood the US with cheap cars.
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