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Warwick uni is pretty good by all accounts
Cambridge and the Institute of Education are both in the top five.
It actually depends on what you want to do your PGCE in. Some universities will have better courses that will carry more credibility in certain subjects. What subject are you looking at?
My advice is that if you really want to be a teacher do a QTS degree, it is much better preparation for a career in teaching.
My advice is that if you really want to be a teacher do a QTS degree, it is much better preparation for a career in teaching.
Some universities have a higher rate of students achieving QTS and attaining employment, however. There is a league table out there somewhere.
Yes true - however you should remember that pretty much any university will gain 100% into employment due to the shortage of teachers. Any that do not take it up is usually due to gap years, leaving the profession etc.
With regard to league tables you would do better reading the ofsted report for the course.
With regard to league tables you would do better reading the ofsted report for the course.
That's not true. There is no shortage of primary school teachers in most places, and there's a huge lack of jobs in some places (in the north, I've heard).
There is a national shortage of teachers and a rapidly retiring work force, this is especially evident in primary schools, as it has a tendency to be a second income in the family.
If, when you graduate you want a job in a specific area you may struggle, as there is a stagnant job market in primary education. Mainly due to fewer opportunities compared to secondary.
However if you consider the figures you will find that employment across the board from all universities is exceptionally high, especially compared to other graduates.
If, when you graduate you want a job in a specific area you may struggle, as there is a stagnant job market in primary education. Mainly due to fewer opportunities compared to secondary.
However if you consider the figures you will find that employment across the board from all universities is exceptionally high, especially compared to other graduates.
I want to stay and teach in Inner London. My course at Uni is Politics & Economics, so I'm guessing my PGCE will have to be in one of either of those.
And where you do your PGCE does seem to matter. At my current school at teacher that is clearly more capable for the job got overlooked for promotion and it got given to a guy that was oxbridge educated (they had both entered teaching at the same time at my school). So it does happen!
Does doing Politics & Econ limit my PGCE options?
Also, what is the institute of Education like? This is the first I've heard of it...
And where you do your PGCE does seem to matter. At my current school at teacher that is clearly more capable for the job got overlooked for promotion and it got given to a guy that was oxbridge educated (they had both entered teaching at the same time at my school). So it does happen!
Does doing Politics & Econ limit my PGCE options?
Also, what is the institute of Education like? This is the first I've heard of it...
Schools are run on internal politics mate and they will always will be. I have never found an oxbridge educated teacher to carry any favor to be honest as far as the educational world is concerned they are not that impressive with regard to producing teachers. I used to mentor their students and was never impressed, and found they particularly struggled with behaviour management.
If I were you I would look into a school based route into teacher training - it pays better and gives you more hands on time with classes. It lets you hit the ground running as a teacher.
Your best options for a PGCE would be in Maths of Humanities.
If I were you I would look into a school based route into teacher training - it pays better and gives you more hands on time with classes. It lets you hit the ground running as a teacher.
Your best options for a PGCE would be in Maths of Humanities.
Do you not think there is still a bit of an old boys' club in the private sector? There was a very noticeable predmoninance of Oxford-educated teachers at my private school, particularly in top positions. I was never sure what to make of that, since I did find the Oxbridge-educated teachers were among the best. The ones who weren't good at controlling their classes were mostly the younger teachers, and I didn't notice them being from Oxbridge particularly.
I can't teach maths, as I only have it upto GCSE. I considered humanities, but it is not looking to promising as I didnt do the GCSE in Geography or History! This is a major bummer as Politics & Economics aren't taught in lower school and therefore limits my promotion opportunities. Does it not?
I worked with a teacher a few years ago who did an undergrad in economics and then a PGCE in Maths. Have you actually asked the ITT providers?
Not yet, I'm not that far ahead. Just did my A levels! I wouldn't want to teach maths anyway, I prefer political economy, and development economics. Hence SOAS, and not Warwick etc.
And in all honesty, you cannot escape the prestige of Oxford and Cambridge. Just having the name on your CV will open doors, not to mention the contacts you'll make whilst you study there.
And in all honesty, you cannot escape the prestige of Oxford and Cambridge. Just having the name on your CV will open doors, not to mention the contacts you'll make whilst you study there.
I am afraid to say that having worked in teaching as an advanced skills teacher , head of faculty, a member of senior management and senior consultant to 3 universities, as well as working in initial teacher training; I can tell you that oxford and cambridge don't open any doors.
Outside of education surely they do. However historically higher education was developed in the old colleges of education, which were assimilated into both polytechnics and universities in the 80's. Some of the oldest and most reputable are Liverpool John Moores (IM Marsh), Edinburgh (Moray House), Exeter (st Lukes) and Brunnel (Borough Road).
I would reiterate again very strongly that where you choose to go will entirely depend on the subject you wish to teach.
If you wish to teach at a higher level, and it seems that you are keen to do so, I would suggest that you pursue post compulsory education teaching.
Hope this helps
Outside of education surely they do. However historically higher education was developed in the old colleges of education, which were assimilated into both polytechnics and universities in the 80's. Some of the oldest and most reputable are Liverpool John Moores (IM Marsh), Edinburgh (Moray House), Exeter (st Lukes) and Brunnel (Borough Road).
I would reiterate again very strongly that where you choose to go will entirely depend on the subject you wish to teach.
If you wish to teach at a higher level, and it seems that you are keen to do so, I would suggest that you pursue post compulsory education teaching.
Hope this helps
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I want to stay and teach in Inner London. My course at Uni is Politics & Economics, so I'm guessing my PGCE will have to be in one of either of those.
And where you do your PGCE does seem to matter. At my current school at teacher that is clearly more capable for the job got overlooked for promotion and it got given to a guy that was oxbridge educated (they had both entered teaching at the same time at my school). So it does happen!
Does doing Politics & Econ limit my PGCE options?
Also, what is the institute of Education like? This is the first I've heard of it...
And where you do your PGCE does seem to matter. At my current school at teacher that is clearly more capable for the job got overlooked for promotion and it got given to a guy that was oxbridge educated (they had both entered teaching at the same time at my school). So it does happen!
Does doing Politics & Econ limit my PGCE options?
Also, what is the institute of Education like? This is the first I've heard of it...
Is there any particular reason why you wanna teach at an inner city school in London for? Just curious.
and with regards to the promotion given to an oxbridge candidate, again outa curiosity; what kinda school are u at currently?
Inner London is where I was schooled and brought up and feel it's where I can have the most impact. Also, I could act as a role model to young black males because I grew up on a council estate in the heart of the city. I can show them how to succeed without being a "nerd" and not having to "sell out"
And my school is a comprehensive. However, it does border hampstead heath so we do attract quite a few prestige students, but nothing of the private school calibur... Have I answered adequately?
And my school is a comprehensive. However, it does border hampstead heath so we do attract quite a few prestige students, but nothing of the private school calibur... Have I answered adequately?
I know someone who did a degree in history of art at anglia ruskin and now she's teaching history at a private secondary school....shows it perhaps doesn't matter what uni you go to as much as people think it does!
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