QuickDrink poll: should 9am lectures be banned??

Obviously not. The day 9am starts at jobs are banned is the day when you can consider this

Except of course the vast majority of those in full time employment are older and who have hours of productivity earlier than teenagers (the vast majority of students). As far as I can see with the amount you pay for a university degree, it should be set up for you to get as much out of it as possible. So, if a few universities were to trial later starts and observe better academic attainment (tbh you could get a decent insight by comparing modules with predominantly early lectures and predominantly later lectures), then it's something that should be adopted, not just dismissed to satisfy people with a weird desire to see students suffer because "they have to too", rather than see people handed the chance to make themselves more successful.

Not true. There are many 18 year olds working full time jobs, and for most people, uni only lasts 3 years. Therefore most people are in a full time job by 21. Trust me, most 21 year olds don't want to be working at 9am.

Do you really believe that work starts at 9am because it's in the best interest of employees?

You're completely misunderstanding my point. It's not so much about you suffering as others have to, although this does make sense.

"with the amount you pay for a university degree"
You pay nothing until you're earning over 21k, and considering the average salary is like 17k, most students are never going to be even making repayments. Assuming you did earn over 21k, the repayments are crazy small that you're unlikely to ever re-pay the whole loan in a lifetime anyway.

My final point: This is a poor idea because uni needs to prepare you for working life. There are so many students who are already out of touch with reality, partying every weekend and going in for a couple of hours a day. That all changes when you've got to work for some moron for 8 hours every day without your 4 week half term breaks, student nights etc. If you make it so they don't ever start at 9am, oh my god. It's going to be like a fairy tale.

Which bit isn't true? if you're arguing that the vast majority of workers aren't older then you're laughably wrong and need to learn about demographics.

It's it's the best interest of the employer to have people in during their most productive hours - when it comes to universities, the best interests of the students and of the university are one and the same - a university wants to be recognised as providing a top quality education, and students want to receive a top quality education.

So how exactly am i supposed to read a series of posts saying if they have to get up for work that early then students should too? All of that screams petty spite.

average salary is far higher than 17k

and just saying that you pay when you start earning is pointless sematics that does nothing to contest the point.

That quite frankly is nonsense. the purpose of university first of all is to teach the subject. But beyond that you talk as if students lose a lot of free time when they go into work, nothing could be further from the truth - with a properly structured work day you've got far more free time in work than you have as a student - for a start you can leave at half five and then not touch work until the following day

The idea that every young person is a student and everybody older is in work is equally laughable.

Nothing to do with spite. It's about equality. What you're saying is almost like labelling an employed person as spiteful because they also want somebody on benefits to have to work for their money.

17k was a guess. I think it might actually be lower. It's with no doubt not "far higher" than 17k. Are you living on another planet? I guess you're looking at the government statistics. Government stats are designed to make it look like everything is great. Average salary from ONS is calculated via the mean, which means the few people earning ridiculous salaries (into the millions) inflate the lower wages.

Take 10 people for example. 9 are on £18,000 per year. 1 is on £1,500,000 per year as a CEO. Guess what the average is? £166,200. We both KNOW this is complete and utter . Surely you're smart enough to understand that what you've been told in relation to average salaries is a load of rubbish, having read my data above. If not, feel free to reply and I can give you further evidence in the form of web links.

Not at all pointless. You told me that since you've paid huge fees, you deserve to be able to start when you want. In reality, you haven't paid huge fees, you've taken out a loan. A special kind of loan (which would never happen in any other circumstance) where you make such small repayments that the lender will, in most cases, never get most of their money back.

Not sure how old you are but you sound somewhat naive. When you start a job, you can forget 4-5 week holidays. You'll be hard pushed for 20 days, and it's not at all uncommon to have to make sacrifices and not be able to take the days off when you want them. There's no turning up late like there is at uni. No switching your hours round. Heck, it's not even the occasional 9am start. It's a rock solid 9am start every single day for most of us.

Most people go to uni for the whole experience, sure they want a degree but they certainly don't lose sleep over it. Many people go regularly clubbing etc. Plus the idea that work finishes at 5:30 and you forget about it is just not true. Some people have to take their work home with them, either because of tight deadlines or stress.