Daily Mail channels ghost of Lenin

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At least the Daily Mail is honest about what it thinks of those who dare dissent from the establishment.
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Do not besmirch the name of Lenin by associating Him with the rag I wouldn't wipe my arse with.
When the people are being beaten with a stick, they are not much happier if it is called "the People's Stick."

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(Original post by Mathemagicien)
Do not besmirch the name of Lenin by associating Him with the rag I wouldn't wipe my arse with.
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(Original post by Mathemagicien)
Could also describe democracy.

You will always be beaten with a stick. Nature's, or one of the sticks of human civilisation - the rich man's, the strong man's, the military's, or the peoples'. Pick one.
Well yeah, hence why that quote comes from an anarchist.

I choose the Kronstadt sailors' stick and hit Lenin with it.
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Lenin wasn't even that authoritarian...
Yeah he really was. You can argue whether it was justified or not. The State and Revolution (which is almost anarchist) is miles away from what the Bolsheviks with Lenin at the helm actually did once they took complete control of the state.

The whole point of Marxist socialism and socialism in general is worker control. This is a good study of how hostile or helpful to worker control the Bolsheviks actually were once they got power (Spoiler: They were incredibly hostile).
https://www.marxists.org/archive/bri...rkers-control/

Socialism is the people breaking the stick not giving it to someone else beat them with. Socialism is either stickless or it is not socialism at all. All that happened in the Soviet Union was a new class came into being that dominated the workers, the workers did not gain control. The beginning of working class self governing were there and they crushed, among others, by the Bolsheviks.

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This is from that link on the Kronstadt Rebellion.


Shortly after the Congress Bogdanov and the Workers' Truth Group were to claim that the revolution had ended in a "complete defeat for the working class". They were to charge that:"the bureaucracy, along with the NEP men had become a new bourgeoisie, depending on the exploitation of the workers and taking advantage of their disorganization. With the trade unions in the hands of the bureaucracy the workers were more helpless than ever"."The Communist Party...after becoming the ruling Party, the party of the organizers and leaders of the State apparatus and of the capitalist-based economic life...had irrevocably lost its tie and community with the proletariat".[24]

This kind of thinking threatened the very basis of the Bolshevik regime and had ruthlessly to be expunged from the minds of working people."Marxism teaches us", Lenin said,"that only the political party of the working class, i.e. the Communist Party, is in a position to unite, educate, organize...and direct all sides of the proletarian movement and hence all the working masses. Without this the dictatorship of the proletariat is meaningless".[25]

"Marxism" of course taught other things too. It emphasized that "the emancipation of the working class was the task of the working class itself"[26] and that "the Communists do not form a separate party opposed to other working-class parties".[27]

What Lenin was now preaching was not in fact "Marxism" but the crude Leninism of What Is To Be Done? (written in 1902), the Leninism which had asserted that the working class left to its own devices could only develop a trade union consciousness and would have to have political consciousness injected into it from the outside, by those "vehicles of science" the petty-bourgeois intelligentsia.[2*] In the minds of the Bolsheviks the Party embodied the historical interests of the class whether the class understood it or not - and whether the class wanted it or not. Given these premises, any challenge to the hegemony of the Party - whether in action or only in thought - was tantamount to "treason" to the Revolution, to a rape of History.

That last bit shows the strong authoritarian strain in Lenin's thinking.



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At least the Daily Mail is honest about what it thinks of those who dare dissent from the establishment.
Though in 1936 it supported dissenters, the Blackshirts.
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Dacre and Rothermere do seem to be going through a particularly sub-fascist (or extreme Stalinist) phase at the moment. Judges are "enemies of the people" (for daring to make legal rulings and enforcing the law), anti-Brexiteers must be "crushed" or "eliminated", people who just mildly think that perhaps Parliament should have a say are "traitors" and "escaped lunatics".

Theresa uses much the same rhetoric and we appear to be in the grip of a new kind of extremist authoritarian rightist rule. Not even the fat cats in the City really approve, which is why the FTSE plunged today when she called an election to further strengthen her rule.
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Though in 1936 it supported dissenters, the Blackshirts.
Like the Telegraph and the Express, it supported Hitler ardently, right up to 1939. It was for making a peace deal with Hitler when everyone else was against and it constantly accused Churchill of warmongering.
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