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Gina Miller, who launched the legal challenge that gave Parliament a say in Brexit, over the head of the most authoritarian Prime Minister since before the war, has started a crowdfunding campaign for "Do What's Best for Britain" - enabling tactical voting across Britain to elect MPs against Theresa May's bizarre plans to destroy the UK economy and diminish us to a fringe irrelevance on the global stage.
https://www.gofundme.com/whats-best-for-britain

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...st-hard-brexit

Tactical voting on a huge scale seems likely in this election. The main goals will be to elect anti-Brexit MPs wherever possible and to focus on getting a proper long term relationship with the EU based on access to the Single Market, not the disaster of total withdrawal currently being portrayed as the Only Way by a bunch of crooked Tory politicians.
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(Original post by Fullofsurprises)
Gina Miller, has started a crowfunding campaign .
birds of a feather eh ?

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birds of a feather eh ?

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Lol. Fixed. :bigsmile:
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Great idea.

Let's have tactical voting on an industrial scale, a hung parliament, half the country in support of Brexit, half against, a complete collapse in effective governance.

If this rich Remoaner cow really wants to destroy the UK economy and move us into the fringes on the world stage she has a great plan.

If you want to make the country totally ungovernable, endlessly arguing over Brexit, like some kind of national Groundhog Day everyone should follow the hedge fund b1tch.

Because if Brexit is stopped now, that will really be the end of it. Not.
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Great idea.

Let's have tactical voting on an industrial scale, a hung parliament, half the country in support of Brexit, half against, a complete collapse in effective governance.

If this rich Remoaner cow really wants to destroy the UK economy and move us into the fringes on the world stage she has a great plan.

If you want to make the country totally ungovernable, endlessly arguing over Brexit, like some kind of national Groundhog Day everyone should follow the hedge fund b1tch.
I'll put you down for a donation then?
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Care to answer the substantive point?

Supposing her campaign works and we get a Parliament that will stop Brexit, what then?

Tim Farron as Prime Minister? Kenneth Clarke? Gina?
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What if tactical voting in the June General election doesn't work ?

What if you lose a second referendum ?

What if you lose a third referendum ?

What if you lose a fourth referendum ?
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Tactical voting on a huge scale seems likely in this election. The main goals will be to elect anti-Brexit MPs wherever possible and to focus on getting a proper long term relationship with the EU based on access to the Single Market, not the disaster of total withdrawal currently being portrayed as the Only Way by a bunch of crooked Tory politicians.
What you are really saying is we should stay in the EU, or keep having a referendum until you get the result you want.

You are completely pathetic.
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Care to answer the substantive point?

Supposing her campaign works and we get a Parliament that will stop Brexit, what then?

Tim Farron as Prime Minister? Kenneth Clarke? Gina?
The real aim of the campaign is to elect MPs who won't lie down and accept whatever the PM and mad hats like David Davies and Boris Johnson declare to be the right outcome, but will demand it be assessed properly and assented to by Parliament.

Theresa May is claiming that this election seals the deal and gives her government a blank cheque to sign any deal and that it cannot subsequently be scrutinised by Parliament.

Without the terribly weak opposition we now have, she would never dare come out with this crap. Gina Miller is just pointing out that we are supposed to be a democracy, not some weird semi-fascist branch of UKIP-Toryism.
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What you are really saying is we should stay in the EU, or keep having a referendum until you get the result you want.

You are completely pathetic.
What we are saying is that something that is as disastrous to the future prospects of all of us as stone cold withdrawal with no proper deal from the Single Market should be something that at least we get to review via our elected representatives in Parliament.

What do you imagine Parliament is for exactly, if not this?

Why even bother with elections in your view? If Brexiteers are so closed minded and so wildly optimistic about total withdrawal from the Single Market without any deal, why not simply do away with parliament altogether and appoint Nigel Farage as Life Dictator?
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Is what I've read true, in that, although article 50 has been triggered and the EU exit is in motion, it is still technically possible to stop that being the case and this election could help that?
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Is it true what I've read in that although article 50 has been triggered it is still technically possible to stop that being the case and this election will help that?
It's hard to say if Article 50 can be reversed, there are differing views on it.

Only the LibDems and Greens are proposing to reverse Brexit altogether (and the SNP presumably), so this election won't mainly be about rejecting the concept of Brexit, but about the terms of withdrawal.
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(Original post by astutehirstute)
Care to answer the substantive point?

Supposing her campaign works and we get a Parliament that will stop Brexit, what then?

Tim Farron as Prime Minister? Kenneth Clarke? Gina?
I do not think anyone really expects the Brexit process to stop, but I do think there are fifty shades of Brexit, and some may sting far worse than others.

The fact is there were 48% of those voting not keen on the idea, there are parts of the UK where a hard Brexit may be really problematic ( e.g. Northern Ireland), an opposition (cross party lobby) who in some regards can modify those who want a hard Brexit is possibly, representing all of the UK, a reasonable approach and aim.

Most poltics involve some degree of fudge, nature of the beast, what some people would like to see is a degree of opposition.

Lets face it, the chances of the Conservatives not having a majority are pretty slim, we are likely not arguing over the result, merely the goal difference.
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Its a simple choice between May or Corbyn.

I mean that is what it comes down to if may gets a majority we will have Tories and Brexit.

If we get a hung parliament the other parties will come together and vote tories out and Labor as the second biggest party after tories would be in charge with Corbyn at the helm.

Corbyn would be an absolute disaster with or without brexit his economic ideas would bankrupt the country but on top of that he would want uncapped immigration which means we would get even worse problems then Germany and France are having. So we would have a collapsed economy and many people unemployed on the streets, No funding for education or the NHS I am not talking about controversial cuts that people debate the tories on I am talking no funding at all because country bankrupt so no NHS and No education.

police would be over run and out of funds and the streets would be controlled by different migrant fraction gangs.

I am serious if Corbyn wins within a few years this country will literally be a third world country and their will be no going back from that fate no recovery.
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I am serious if Corbyn wins within a few years this country will literally be a third world country and their will be no going back from that fate no recovery.
When we leave the Single Market without a deal, trust me, third world status for the UK will beckon. The Tories can sell all the weapons they like to Saudi Arabia, it's not going to meet the huge drop in trade and income we derive from the EU.
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(Original post by Fullofsurprises)
The real aim of the campaign is to elect MPs who won't lie down and accept whatever the PM and mad hats like David Davies and Boris Johnson declare to be the right outcome, but will demand it be assessed properly and assented to by Parliament.

Theresa May is claiming that this election seals the deal and gives her government a blank cheque to sign any deal and that it cannot subsequently be scrutinised by Parliament.

Without the terribly weak opposition we now have, she would never dare come out with this crap. Gina Miller is just pointing out that we are supposed to be a democracy, not some weird semi-fascist branch of UKIP-Toryism.
Do you think we are stupid? Actually, yes of course you do. :rolleyes:

You are promoting a campaign to stop Brexit. To reverse the democratic will of the British people.
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This dilemma leads me to have grandiose fantasy daydreams of being sat in a dimly lit room furnished with antique furniture, men and tumblers of spirits just as old, strategising against the opposition as a consultant to whatever party so to achieve a desirable result. I would very much enjoy that.
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Its a simple choice between May or Corbyn.

I mean that is what it comes down to if may gets a majority we will have Tories and Brexit.

If we get a hung parliament the other parties will come together and vote tories out and Labor as the second biggest party after tories would be in charge with Corbyn at the helm.

Corbyn would be an absolute disaster with or without brexit his economic ideas would bankrupt the country but on top of that he would want uncapped immigration which means we would get even worse problems then Germany and France are having. So we would have a collapsed economy and many people unemployed on the streets, No funding for education or the NHS I am not talking about controversial cuts that people debate the tories on I am talking no funding at all because country bankrupt so no NHS and No education.

police would be over run and out of funds and the streets would be controlled by different migrant fraction gangs.

I am serious if Corbyn wins within a few years this country will literally be a third world country and their will be no going back from that fate no recovery.
1.I think the probability of a Labour overall majority is as near zero as makes no difference.

2.I think the probability of a coalition of the willing being in a position to push through an anti Brexit platform is twice as likely as 1.

3. I think the chances of such a coalition in 2 proceeding with such a plan in 2, if they did have a majority, is less than in 1, they know if they did they would be crucified at the polls for a generation or more.

Corbyn in coalition would not last long, which parties would be prepared to march hand in hand with him to political oblivion- they all may want power but they also want a future afterwards, any coalition would have Corbyn dropped pdq as its price tag.
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(Original post by Fullofsurprises)
When we leave the Single Market without a deal, trust me, third world status for the UK will beckon. The Tories can sell all the weapons they like to Saudi Arabia, it's not going to meet the huge drop in trade and income we derive from the EU.
We don't trust you.
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This is so ridiculous. The audacious selfishness of these people.
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