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    (Original post by rahaydenuk)
    Hmm... I would say jail for fifteen years is far more expensive. Just think of all of the domestic care, e.g. meals etc.

    For an execution, you just have to pay for any materials used (chemicals etc. in the case of lethal injection), a last meal request, a doctor to perform the administration of the chemicals and to officially certify death and maybe some of the paperwork involved would amount to a small cost. This is clearly the cheaper option.

    With appeals and such, life without parole is cheaper.
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    (Original post by Lord Huntroyde)
    He will spend the rest of his life in a few rooms. Or he could die and it will all be over. Which is the worse punishment?
    Yeah after you die it would all be over, but imagine the stress and what goes through the prosioners head as s/he counts down the days before s/he dies. Hopefully I will never know what that would be like but it is possible that the last few days of knowing you are going to die is worse than a lifetime in prison.
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    I'm really split on this. On the one hand I actually think that in the case of someone who has definately commited a really serious crime, and I mean DEFINATELY, isn't it more humane to just kill them than to leave them to fester in a prison for the rest of their lives. The sort of places that have the death penalty do not treat mass murderers well in prison. Plus it is a hell of a lot cheaper and I don't see any reason why the tax payer should have to pay for the existance of mass murderers. On the other hand the possiblity of getting it wrong, or prejudiced convictions makes it difficult to agree with it. Whatever happened to the days of sending convicts to little islands to fend for themselves ay?
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    "Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. For even the very wise cannot see all ends." To destroy the world's 'evildoers' would not destroy evil. "
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    (Original post by loftx)
    Yeah after you die it would all be over, but imagine the stress and what goes through the prosioners head as s/he counts down the days before s/he dies. Hopefully I will never know what that would be like but it is possible that the last few days of knowing you are going to die is worse than a lifetime in prison.
    I think it would be much worse spending a lifetime in prison apposed to death. With death, you have a few hours worry, but once they flick the switch or push the needle, it's all over, but with prison you could spend 60-80 years in the same few rooms with no chance of ever getting out. That would be like hell.

    But if you think about it, in America, people have spent up to 20 years on death row, so that is 20 years imprisonment and then death. That seems to be the worse scenario ever.
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    (Original post by Lord Huntroyde)
    I think it would be much worse spending a lifetime in prison apposed to death. With death, you have a few hours worry, but once they flick the switch or push the needle, it's all over, but with prison you could spend 60-80 years in the same few rooms with no chance of ever getting out. That would be like hell.

    But if you think about it, in America, people have spent up to 20 years on death row, so that is 20 years imprisonment and then death. That seems to be the worse scenario ever.
    I understand that the electric chair is extremely inhumane. Waiting for 60 years and then getting fried is definately the worst of all worlds. I think that if some mass murderer is either to spend his/her entire life in a tiny cell or be given a lethal injection soon after sentence perhaps the murderer if given the choice might choose the injection. However, I believe it is not for us to take life - a difficult thing to say as in this case it might be more humane. Those who wish a murderer to suffer for their crimes might equally argue that to live in prison is a better punishment. It is the people who demand death that worry me - it shows a need to excercise the kind of power that humans, being as we are, can't be trusted with.
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    I'm quite split on this one too. I think the biggest problem is if after the person's been executed you find out that they were innocent - how would anyone compensate for a life that has been lost? On the other hand, anyone who can be so heartlessly brutal deserves to get a taste of their own medicine, but perhaps those people deserve a painful life - not a painful death. Also, I think it serves as a good deterrent for other people...i remember hearing of a place in asia where they cut off people's hands for stealing; this of course is too harsh and very wrong in my opinion but the result has been that hardly anyone steals.
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    It only takes so long cause people generally tend to appeal being sentenced to death, or sometimes new evidence turns up and they have to check. But yeah, waiting years in jail must suck beyond words, so maybe it is the best punishment. Like someone said, the worst of both worlds.
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    (Original post by Toyosi)
    It only takes so long cause people generally tend to appeal being sentenced to death, or sometimes new evidence turns up and they have to check. But yeah, waiting years in jail must suck beyond words, so maybe it is the best punishment. Like someone said, the worst of both worlds.
    And while they're going through the appeals process they're in prison anyway.
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    (Original post by Memento)
    I'll define Capital Punishment as "that social institution whereby a government punishes a certain crime by putting the offender to death." The assumed circumstances are that a crime really has been committed, a certain person is known to be guilty, and the verdict and execution is carried out fairly, by a recognised and responsible government.

    Etc...
    Did you just copy and paste that?

    (Original post by Memento)
    The Word of God seems to clearly indicate that capital punishment should be enacted upon those who are proven guilty of murder. Whether or not this includes murder other than the first degree is difficult to determine, but certainly it does include first degree murder. While I have suggested we are not bound to exercise the death penalty for all crimes under the Mosaic law, this does not mean we could or should do so. Perhaps there are other crimes of a violent nature that might warrant the death penalty in certain cases, particularly involving repeated offenders. Whether this is true or not, the fact remains that the state is not simply free to carry out the death penalty in cases of first degree murder, but it is obligated to do so. This is true both in terms of obedience to God, and in protection of society itself. For capital punishment, in essence, is radical surgery designed to rid society of its worst malignancies.
    You see this is the problem that I have with religion - when it takes over a person's mind so much that you ask for their opinion and get what is apparently the word of god. The word of god, my friend, was written when women would be burned or stoned if they were accused of having an affair. Hardly relevant when discussing capital punishment in today's society.
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    (Original post by Unregistered)
    You see this is the problem that I have with religion - when it takes over a person's mind so much that you ask for their opinion and get what is apparently the word of god. The word of god, my friend, was written when women would be burned or stoned if they were accused of having an affair. Hardly relevant when discussing capital punishment in today's society.
    And it still happens in some countries *sigh* I feel religion has done more bad than good!
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    I am split over this one also...
    I suppose there's the side where the possibility of innocence or misuse of the death-penalty would be horrific...but this punishment surely wouldn't be dealt without certainty of the persons guilt- and only given for the severest crimes.
    It's a bitter thought that taxpayers money is funding the 'security' (no worries about sleeping on the streets, meals guaranteed etc) of murderers. Imagine if someone you knew had been brutally killed and part of your earnings was going towards sustaining the lives of their murderer...it just doesn't seem right.
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    (Original post by Adhsur)
    And it still happens in some countries *sigh* I feel religion has done more bad than good!
    I agree (it was me that posted about punishments for women, wasn't logged in.) I endlessly hear of terrible crimes being commited in the name of God and it makes me angry when I hear people quoting from some religious text in response to an issue like this. It seems as though their religion has taken their free thought and humanity.

    (Original post by Haz)
    I agree (it was me that posted about punishments for women, wasn't logged in.) I endlessly hear of terrible crimes being commited in the name of God and it makes me angry when I hear people quoting from some religious text in response to an issue like this. It seems as though their religion has taken their free thought and humanity.
    I suppose, for some people, it's easier than thinking for yourself.

    Ben
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    (Original post by Unregistered)
    I suppose, for some people, it's easier than thinking for yourself.

    Ben
    That's what saddens me - that some people would rather hide behind an infallible deity than risk voicing an opinion, and others are bullied into submitting to what their religious leaders say. I respect the ideas behind many religions but all too often they are used to manipulate people.

    (Original post by Adhsur)
    And it still happens in some countries *sigh* I feel religion has done more bad than good!
    An absurd statement. You cannot balance where moral values originated from against the crazy statements/acts of the few.

    (Original post by Unregistered)
    I suppose, for some people, it's easier than thinking for yourself.

    Ben
    It is this arrogance of atheists that really pisses me off. I am a Christian, I believe in God. I've probably also given the meaning of life a lot more thought than you. So don't come back with that condescending crap.

    (Original post by Unregistered)
    It is this arrogance of atheists that really pisses me off. I am a Christian, I believe in God. I've probably also given the meaning of life a lot more thought than you. So don't come back with that condescending crap.
    I am also a Christian and I wan't referring solely to Christianity - I was thinking more along the lines of Islamic extremist groups.

    Ben

    (Original post by Unregistered)
    I am also a Christian and I wan't referring solely to Christianity - I was thinking more along the lines of Islamic extremist groups.

    Ben
    Fari enough, but maybe you should've made this clearer? Nonetheless my comment still stands firm the you atheists who were thinking of posting what Ben said (lol)!!!
 
 
 
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