V1182 - Handgun Ownership and Regulation Bill 2017 (Second Reading)

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Handgun Ownership and Regulation Bill 2017 (Second Reading) - the Rt Hon Jammy Duel, MP

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Handgun Ownership and Regulation Bill 2017

An Act to reintroduce strictly regulated handgun ownership to the UK for those who demonstrate the ability to handle handguns safely and are of sound mind.

BE IT ENACTED by The Queen's most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Commons in this present Parliament assembled, in accordance with the provisions of the Parliament Acts 1911 and 1949, and by the authority of the same, as follows:—

1: Definitions
(1) For the purposes of this bill a "handgun" shall be defined as a single action, double action, or semi-automatic weapon designed for one handed use;
(2) For the purposes of this bill a "certification body" shall be defined as any gun club or other body registered with the Home Office to be able to certify competence with a handgun;;
(3) For the purposes of this bill a "Registered Psychiatrist" shall be a member of the Royal College of Psychiatrists or any other body recognised by the Department of Health as a professional organisation of psychiatrists.

2: Competence certification
(1) Any certification body may award Competence Certification that has demonstrated thorough understanding of safe storage and handling of handguns and ammunition;
(i) The standards expected for certification shall be set out by the Home Office;
(2) Competence certification expires ten years after being issued;
(3) Competence certification can be renewed at any time;
(4) Failure to show the necessary competence when attempting to renew certification will lead to immediate voiding of existing certification, irrespective of how long certification has been held.

3: Psychiatric evaluation
(1) All prospective handgun owners must pass a psychiatric evaluation carried out by a registered psychiatrist;
(2) An examinee is deemed to have failed if they are diagnosed with or suspected to have, pending final diagnosis, any mental disorder which may cause them to pose an elevated threat to themselves or the public as defined by the Home Office and Department of Health;
(3) An examinee is deemed to be in good mental health for 5 years after passing a psychiatric evaluation;
(4) Psychiatric evaluations purely to prove good mental health for handgun ownership shall not be covered by the NHS;

4: Criminal Record Checks
(1) A prospective handgun owner must pass a criminal record check;
(2) A prospective handgun owner is deemed to have passed a criminal record check if:
(a) They do not have any charges for violent or firearms related offences for which they were not acquitted on their criminal record; and
(b) They do not have any charges on their criminal record for the prior 5 years for which they have not been acquitted on their criminal record; and
(c) have not served a jail term of any length in the prior 5 years.

5: Handgun licencing
(1) Handgun licences shall be issued on a "shall-issue" basis if the applicant:
(a) possesses competent certification in accordance with Section 2; and
(b) has passed a psychiatric evaluation in accordance with Section 3; and
(c) has passed a criminal record check in accordance with Section 4;
(2) A handgun licence shall be revoked if:
(a) The holder ceases to hold a valid competence certification in accordance with Section 2; or
(b) The holder ceases to be deemed in good mental health in accordance with Section 3
(i) unless the holder is diagnosed with depression the; or
(c) The holder is found guilty of any crime in accordance with law;
(d) 10 years has passed since the issuing of the license, unless renewed;
(3) A handgun licence shall be suspended and all the holders handguns seized by the police if the holder is charged with any crime until such a time that they are acquitted or the licence is revoked;
(4) A handgun license shall be suspended if the holder is diagnosed with depression until such a time that they are found to be in good mental health in accordance with Sec
(5) After revocation, or suspension pursuant to Section 5 Clause 4, of their licence any former licencee must rescind ownership of all firearms of have them verified as disabled by the police, and must rescind ownership of all ammunition within 7 days.

6: Sales, registration, and storage of handguns and ammunition
(1) All handguns must be registered with the police;
(2) Handguns may only be sold to individuals who produce on purchase a valid handgun licence;
(3) Ammunition may only be sold to a licence holder for handguns they have registration documentation for;
(4) Handguns and ammunition must be in secure storage when:
(a) on public land;
(b) on private land unless consent to the contrary is given by the landowner and the registered owner has the handgun on their person or is supervising the safe use of the handgun.

7: penalties
(1) Any individual found to possess a handgun in contravention of Section 5 shall be liable to a fine nor more than £50,000 per firearm, and/or a prison term not exceeding 5 years per handgun;
(2) Any individual found to possess not more than 250 rounds of ammunition that no handgun they are registered as owning can fire they shall be liable to a fine of not more than £100 per round;
(3) Any individual found to possess more than 250 rounds of ammunition that no handgun they are registered as owning can fire shall be liable to a fine not more than £100 per round and a prison term not exceeding 10 years;
(4) Any individual found to sell a handgun in contravention of Section 6 shall be liable to a fine of not more than £50,000 and/or a prison term not exceeding 5 years;
(5) Any business found to sell a handgun in contravention of Section 6 shall be liable to a fine of not more than £100,000 and/or a suspension of their licence to sell firearms;
(6) Any individual found to sell ammunition in contravention of Section 6 shall be liable to a fine of not more than £100 per round and/or a prison term not exceeding 5 years;
(7) Any business found to sell a handgun in contravention of Section 6 shall be liable to a fine of not more than £250 per round and/or a suspension of their licence to sell firearms;
(8) Any certification body found to issue certification in contravention of Section 2 shall be liable to a fine of not more than £50,000 and revocation of their ability to issue certification for not more than 10 years.

8: commencement and extend
(1) This Act extends to England and Wales;
(2) The provisions of this Act come into force immediately following Royal Assent.
(3) This Act may be cited as the Handgun Ownership and Regulation Act 2017.

Notes
This bill allows for the ownership of handguns and carry of on private property to those who have demonstrated themselves competent in handgun safety, and show no signs of undue danger to themselves or others through ownership of a firearm. Section 2 means that only those who have demonstrated beyond reasonable doubt that they are, from a practical and theoretical standpoint, safe with a handgun may own one. Section 3 means that only those who do not post an elevated risk to themselves or others can legally own a firearm. Section 4 excludes from legal ownership those who have a proved violent history, or a recent history of crime, no matter how petty.

The original handgun bans were unnecessary knee jerk reactions and over the last 20 years there has been no evidence to show that this has made the country any safer:
the homicide rate remains unchanged
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The reduction of violent crime did not accelerate
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Reported overall crime rates were not reduced, and estimated crime rates did not decrease any faster


And before anybody shouts "but America" there is also no strong correlation between gun ownership and homicide rates either in the US:
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Or globally
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The original bans were emotionally motivated and there is no evidence of any tangible benefit, consequently all the bans achieve is to prohibit otherwise sane and law abiding citizens from the right to bear arms on private property with the consent of the land owner, and this bill intend to mark a compromise between this right, and ensuring that it is only law abiding, sane individuals who can demonstrate they are safe to own a gun are the only ones able to do so.

Changes for the second reading:
-The Home Office sets the certification standards
-Penalties introduced for issuing certification contrary to these standards
-Removed depression elements from the psychiatric evaluation
-Diagnosis of depression of licence holders suspends the licence until found to be in good health again.
-Introduced an expiry date to unrenewed licences.

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But irrelevant statistics from America!!!
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I do invite, for the third time, those voting against to justify, don't worry, I don't expect you to because you all know that there is no sound argument against needless authoritarianism.
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Didn't we already have a vote on legalising all handguns from the libertarians I remember??
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Didn't we already have a vote on legalising all handguns from the libertarians I remember??
It wasn't voted on and was far less regulated from the libers
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While this is very well regulated - even people of sound mental health do stupid stuff; plus there are those that would potentially steal the weapons for use in crime.Therefore nay.
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While this is very well regulated - even people of sound mental health do stupid stuff; plus there are those that would potentially steal the weapons for use in crime.Therefore nay.
"People do stupid stuff" applies to anything and everything and gas an ultimate conclusion of the state telling you when you're allowed out of yoir safety box that stops you doing stupid things. I court pissed and decide to run down the street spinning a 7 iron around my head and letting go, should this mean we ban golf?

I also put it to you that the theft argument is poor at best give that despite there being about 2m privately owned firearms in the UK only about 400 a year are stolen, and pretty much all are recovered by the police, which is small fries compared to the estimated 500,000-2,000,000 illegal firearms in Britain, but despite this cases of gun crime without in the thousands, not even the tens of thousands. Just like most of the non trivial claims made by the control lobby, these arguments don't hold water when you start looking at the data

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...d-high-6509872

Almost 3,000 guns lost or stolen in UK, figures reveal - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19416579

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...treets-7598164


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Yeah, this doesn't protect people from plain idiots who are of sound mind. Plus depression is largely a lifelong issue, is it not? So a diagnosis of depression should permanently bar one from owning a handgun.
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Yeah, this doesn't protect people from plain idiots who are of sound mind. Plus depression is largely a lifelong issue, is it not? So a diagnosis of depression should permanently bar one from owning a handgun.
Nor is there any protection from plain idiots with golf clubs, and actually there is because a "plain idiot" is unlikely to be able to be deemed safe, but go on, let's gloss over all the evidence that legal gun owners are actually responsible and have respect for guns. There is also a distinction that must be made between depression and being a risk to oneself, further a distinction between chronic and acute depression, and within the chronic depression category the suicide risks, just because somebody has chronic depression doesn't mean they're looking to kill themselves every other week. People could have an acute case, in which case a lifelong ban protects nobody, or they could be chronic with no real risk presented to their life, again falling in the category of a ban that saves nobody.

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