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Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
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Because God is Dog backwards.

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Because God is Dog backwards.

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lap-dog = pal-god 8)
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(Original post by unomie)
Interested to hear religious peoples take on this quote.

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
I'm gonna speak from a biblical viewpoint.

Everything on the planet, every little detail, everything that has ever happened, both good and evil, was ordained by God to occur. The quote says "is God willing...?" The concept of God's will is quite complex. In one sense, God desires good. He holds people responsible for their actions, and everybody will have to account for their actions when they die. In another sense however, he desires some evil things for good purposes.

There's so much written about the will of God (what God wants), so I'll come back and discuss if you wish, but I'll illustrate my point with two passages in the bible.

Genesis 50:20 "As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good, to bring it about that many people should be kept alive, as they are today."

Everything happens in accordance with God's plan. God intends for evil to exist for his own good purposes - his glory, and to bless his people. God intended for Jesus to be crucified for example, and everybody involved in his crucifixion was guilty of sin. Think about that.

This is a quote from a prayer to God in the bible: "Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the Gentiles and the people of Israel in this city to conspire against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed. They did what your power and will had decided beforehand should happen."
Acts 4:27-‬28

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(Original post by unomie)
Interested to hear religious peoples take on this quote.

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
We see many contradictions of either God's omniscience or his omnibenevolence (ie. an action could be a contradiction of either). Often it is just said that God is "complex beyond human comprehension" and we are "not to know". This can be quite easily translated into "I don't know", so the discussion remains inconclusive.
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(Original post by unomie)
Interested to hear religious peoples take on this quote.

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
God can do everything, you just need to pray and have faith. Some people are evil and God has sealed their hearts because they will never change, their punishment is hellfire. There needs to be a God in this unjust world.
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God is not worried what TSR think
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Why is a 2000-year-old fairy tale still a thing in the 21st century.
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God can do everything, you just need to pray and have faith. Some people are evil and God has sealed their hearts because they will never change, their punishment is hellfire. There needs to be a God in this unjust world.
is this satire or idiocy?
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(Original post by unomie)
is this satire or idiocy?
you don't have to be mean. Clearly Rosy believes what she posted
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(Original post by unomie)
Interested to hear religious peoples take on this quote.

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
If God defines what is good and evil then this argument is refuted.

Is not preventing evil wrong? God says no. Hence, God has done no wrong... Hence, God is not malevolent.
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(Original post by RosyPearl)
God can do everything, you just need to pray and have faith. Some people are evil and God has sealed their hearts because they will never change, their punishment is hellfire.
If you pray, will God intervene for you?

(Original post by RosyPearl)
There needs to be a God in this unjust world.
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Why is a 2000-year-old fairy tale still a thing in the 21st century.
You need to study the evidence for Jesus.
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You need to study the evidence for Jesus.
You need to study the evidence for any religion or god......oh wait, there is absolutely none.
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You need to study the evidence for any religion or god......oh wait, there is absolutely none.
I have studied it and found there is.
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I have studied it and found there is.
Please show me evidence that there is a god. Oh wait, you can't. Because there still isn't any.
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Please show me evidence that there is a god. Oh wait, you can't. Because there still isn't any.
Have a go, start digging around for yourself. You'll be amazed at what you discover.
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(Original post by unomie)
Interested to hear religious peoples take on this quote.

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
Man must make their own decisions.
If God made our decisions for us, we wouldn't evolve, would we?
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