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    http://education.guardian.co.uk/alev...286803,00.html

    Why does this stupid society automaticaly assume anything with the word vocational in it is not as good? :mad:
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    There is some truth in the story, as the AVCE does have some serious issues with its structure.

    However, if you achieved a high mark on an AVCE course then you have achieved more than your A-Level counterpart as the statistics are against you.

    For Business, only 6% get A Grade. Compare this to A-Level Business Studies, which is more like 15%.

    Some would argue that this is because the quality of students who take AVCE course is lower, which does have some validity. But the argument that AVCE courses are tougher than their traditional counterparts does also hold some weight. A bit of both, really.
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    (Original post by amazingtrade)
    http://education.guardian.co.uk/alev...286803,00.html

    Why does this stupid society automaticaly assume anything with the word vocational in it is not as good? :mad:
    I can understand why you would be pissed off, but think about it...you'll have a good degree which is more than alot of non-vocational a-level students.
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    It is my belief in a coming years that vocational qualifications will be in much more demand then academic ones.

    As you may know there is a demand for people to study trade, yet universities need more students to increase their revenues so offer incentives.

    However, the number of graduates coming out of university have little understanding of the real world, unlike those that study vocation, which means a vocational student with a degree in his/her hand will theorically stand better chance of employment, due to their experience.

    I wanted to study vocation, but A-levels were still the best way to get to uni! I do regret it somewhat, since i didn't do well on my A-Levels.
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    I got AB in my AVCE but when I read articles like that it made it seem worthless.

    There just dosn't seem to be any jobs in the I.T industry at the basic level. I am bulding a portfolio of database driven websites though (like D has) so hopefully that will impress employers.
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    Well, I got BB (4 marks away from an AB, will object one of the grades) for ICT Double Award

    But hey, AT, let me tell you, England is snobbish anyway, I mean those gents in the suits in the Guardian think that only ppl who study History, Physics, Maths, Furtehr Maths, Chem and Biology are worthy of speaking of. Well, let me tell them: **** off! We've worked hard for the two a-levels, we've produced hundreds of pages of coursework and this would very much be appreciated by unis who make sense.
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    Besides, I very much doubt a A-level Computing student is by far better than you or me. (if not worse, no offense to anyone)
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    I too got AB for my AVCE in ICT. At the same time i was doing it, my brother was doing A2 computing. Didn't seem that much harder, infact, some aspects were easier.
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    (Original post by Kiril)
    Besides, I very much doubt a A-level Computing student is by far better than you or me. (if not worse, no offense to anyone)
    Its different I guess, I know A level computing requires the same stupid amounts of course work, but then I bet they do't get to open computers up or study newtwork wiring diagrams. Also some theritical stuff such as 3rd normalisation dosn't seem to be as important. You can't even pass the AVCE without knowing normalisation, with A level computing you can not know some vital stuff and still get a good grade.
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    (Original post by [-David-])
    I too got AB for my AVCE in ICT. At the same time i was doing it, my brother was doing A2 computing. Didn't seem that much harder, infact, some aspects were easier.
    Well I helped my sister with her A level computing a lot and she got an A. To be fair though some of the stuff I helped her with I learn't on my degree such as SQL etc.
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    I have a AA in AVCE business. One of the alevels i taught myself in a year with no teacher. Is this ****??
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    (Original post by charliefarley)
    I have a AA in AVCE business. One of the alevels i taught myself in a year with no teacher. Is this ****??
    Well done!

    If you did your AVCE with Edexcel, you are in the top 150 students out of the 7500 who were entered this year!
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    (Original post by risk-is-good)
    Well done!

    If you did your AVCE with Edexcel, you are in the top 150 students out of the 7500 who were entered this year!
    I can't remember what my figure was but its somthing similar. I think ICT has a higher pass rate but I did mine in 2002 the first year of the double award students so the pass rate was lower due to **** ups in teaching etc.
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    (Original post by risk-is-good)
    Well done!

    If you did your AVCE with Edexcel, you are in the top 150 students out of the 7500 who were entered this year!
    I did mine with OCR but still dont think there was many entered. maybe similar numbers as edexcel??
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    I did the AVCE Double-Award ICT (in one year) along with A Level Business Studies in two years. Firstly- i would like to say how on earth can a subject that contains Critical Path Analysis, elasticity of demand and other mathematical conecepts vocational!!!!! (or- i mean business studies is laughed at). I can on the otherhand see why ICT can be laughed at- however, if you actualyl look at the content covered on the Double-Award it is not actually easy to gain a AA!!!! Overall i got AA and B (was bit pissed off with that B), but the thing is- top universities wont accept any of these grades- asif i had wasted 2 years of my life. Anyways, im doing Maths, Further Maths and Economics A levels this year so i should be in a stronger position having grades to act as foundations... but i think schools mislead pupils by offering these qualifications when they're worth jack ****! On a peronal note- no careers advisor can know everything about every career!
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    just looked up on ocr dat i was one of 61 ppl out of 1,016 people to get AA- so how can getting the top grades be easy???!!!!!
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    I wouldn't say there were worth jack sh*t. I got a job which required computing A level which I did not have. Some of the candiates were from posher schools and better universities but I still got the job because I was the only one out of that lot that actually knew how to make proper websites and not frontpage shite.

    Universities like Manchester do appcept AVCE students but they do ask for an A level as well usualy in somthing like maths.
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    Hmm, I did BTEC National Diploma for IT Practitioners (Software Development), I considered the AVCE. I was a bit disappointed with the college and the course (lax standards, *****y lecturers, yes you Mansour, and you Koroush rolling cigs and complaining about the West, gladly they were not all so bad), but I didn't let that stop me and now I have DDD (that's distinction not grade D!). Haha. All my mates got MPP and think I'm some sort of super programmer/hacker, which is totally not true but whatever, I had to work hard for it.

    I can understand why 'vocational' may put people off, it is seen as specialist training for a job instead of gaining more general knowledge. My alternative was A levels, probably in my old school's sixth form, no thanks. I don't think the BTEC was any less 'academic' but could do with a clean-up. Unfortunately in this day and age there is too much knowledge for there to be modern-day renaissance men and women, so we have to specialise at least a little bit.

    Personally I believe that 'theory' and 'practice' are equally valid and important, worthless without the other, and in fact the distinction between them is pointless. I think willingness is more important for success (instead of everyone else at college who only did a computer course because they like the Internet and computer games, grrr).

    Universities like Manchester do appcept AVCE students but they do ask for an A level as well usualy in somthing like maths.

    Funny you should say that, Manchester was the only Uni that refused me, but I'm in my preferred Uni now anyway (Leeds!). I only put them on the list because I couldn't think of any other place.
 
 
 
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