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What are the chances of the UK getting a good deal from the EU? Will the EU want to punish us by taking away our euro clearing facilities, making us paying us huge sums for access to the single market? Will brexit make other EU countries decide to leave the EU? Will EU collapse?
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Dunno
Nobody does
Wait and see
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(Original post by richard10012)
What are the chances of the UK getting a good deal from the EU? Will the EU want to punish us by taking away our euro clearing facilities, making us paying us huge sums for access to the single market? Will brexit make other EU countries decide to leave the EU? Will EU collapse?
It's a wait and see exercise.

On free trade however one of their trade commissioners has already said she thinks there will be a free trade deal.


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no deal is better than staying in EU.
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no deal is better than staying in EU.
Really?

Which WTO terms particularly appeal to you?

You really want an influx of pensioners invading the country?
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Really?

Which WTO terms particularly appeal to you?

You really want an influx of pensioners invading the country?

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Really?

Which WTO terms particularly appeal to you?

You really want an influx of pensioners invading the country?
They appeal to me because I know that they're going to hurt Europe 5x as hard as it hurts us. Hopefully it will cause the dismantling of the whole organisation and we can go back to making deals with countries bilaterally without gangs threatening us.

I just hope Theresa has the metaphorical balls to play hard ball and do what's best, not what's safest.
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They appeal to me because I know that they're going to hurt Europe 5x as hard as it hurts us. Hopefully it will cause the dismantling of the whole organisation and we can go back to making deals with countries bilaterally without gangs threatening us.

I just hope Theresa has the metaphorical balls to play hard ball and do what's best, not what's safest.
How does it hurt them 5x more?
We buy from them more than they buy from us.
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How does it hurt them 5x more?
We buy from them more than they buy from us.
I don't support his point but it does hurt them more than us as we buy more from them....


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I don't support his point but it does hurt them more than us as we buy more from them....


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How?

Scenario 1: If we want the same as we have now it will cost us more than it'll cost them in addition to today.

Scenario 2: If we want less than now (as price has gone up) we'll have less than they do in goods and services and they'll have less cash.

In scenario one we hurt more. In scenario two we hurt similarly.

So what's scenario 3 where they hurt five times as much?
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What are the chances of the UK getting a good deal from the EU? Will the EU want to punish us by taking away our euro clearing facilities, making us paying us huge sums for access to the single market? Will brexit make other EU countries decide to leave the EU? Will EU collapse?
There are 27 other countries in the EU. Their MP's outnumber ours considerably. Unless we can offer the EU something substantial in return, such as a significant economic incentive, they have no reason to offer us a good deal. They have the power to pass legislation demanding we pay them trillions of euros, and we do not have any power to oppose them in Parliament.
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Really?

Which WTO terms particularly appeal to you?

You really want an influx of pensioners invading the country?
There is no "influx of pensioners" due to us being a member state of the EU. All member states are subject to the Four Freedoms (we will lose these freedoms upon leaving the EU). One of these freedoms is freedom of labour, meaning that anyone who wishes to work here can, and if us Brits wish to work anywhere in the EU, we can. Freedom of labour is shown to have a multitude of benefits to all nations involved.

EU pensioners undergo the same border and citizenship checks as any other citizen from around the world. We are not part of the Schengen pact: our borders are no more open to EU pensioners than to those from the USA or Tuvalu.
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What are the chances of the UK getting a good deal from the EU? Will the EU want to punish us by taking away our euro clearing facilities, making us paying us huge sums for access to the single market? Will brexit make other EU countries decide to leave the EU? Will EU collapse?
If Britain leaves the EU, why is it punishment to not get the benefits of the EU? Am I being punished by the local golf club who won't let me play on their course because I don't want to join and pay subs?

Brexit victim mentality is screwed up big time.

I doubt my local golf club will collapse because I am not a member.
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There are 27 other countries in the EU. Their MP's outnumber ours considerably. Unless we can offer the EU something substantial in return, such as a significant economic incentive, they have no reason to offer us a good deal. They have the power to pass legislation demanding we pay them trillions of euros, and we do not have any power to oppose them in Parliament.

There is no "influx of pensioners" due to us being a member state of the EU. All member states are subject to the Four Freedoms (we will lose these freedoms upon leaving the EU). One of these freedoms is freedom of labour, meaning that anyone who wishes to work here can, and if us Brits wish to work anywhere in the EU, we can. Freedom of labour is shown to have a multitude of benefits to all nations involved.

EU pensioners undergo the same border and citizenship checks as any other citizen from around the world. We are not part of the Schengen pact: our borders are no more open to EU pensioners than to those from the USA or Tuvalu.
If there is no agreement. British pensioners in the rest of the would lose their right to reside there and back to blighty they will need to flee with their ailments.
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How does it hurt them 5x more?
We buy from them more than they buy from us.
because we have many other alternatives than the EU. We can sell to India, US, etc.
While the EU can't go without some British industries like the City's financial centre or the scottish manufacturing.
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because we have many other alternatives than the EU. We can sell to India, US, etc.
While the EU can't go without some British industries like the City's financial centre or the scottish manufacturing.
Why haven't we already then?

If by Scottish manufacturing you mean whisky then no, but equally we can't do without wine or French cheese.

The city gets a bit crippled without passport rights or free movement so they'll probe be less bothered about that.
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(Original post by Quady)
How?

Scenario 1: If we want the same as we have now it will cost us more than it'll cost them in addition to today.

Scenario 2: If we want less than now (as price has gone up) we'll have less than they do in goods and services and they'll have less cash.

In scenario one we hurt more. In scenario two we hurt similarly.

So what's scenario 3 where they hurt five times as much?
I didn't make the claim I scenario 3.

Scenario one is their goods cost more than they do today so we take more of our business elsewhere. Therefore they disproportionately suffer more trade loss than we do.

Scenario two doesn't exist


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If there is no agreement. British pensioners in the rest of the would lose their right to reside there and back to blighty they will need to flee with their ailments.
That's not true in the slightest and there is no suggestion that a deal won't be done for citizens from both sides regardless of trade.


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Why haven't we already then?

If by Scottish manufacturing you mean whisky then no, but equally we can't do without wine or French cheese.

The city gets a bit crippled without passport rights or free movement so they'll probe be less bothered about that.
Actually that's a misnomer as well if you keep the same financial legislation there is all sorts of stuff the city can do.

I'm not writing an essay on this point but you can search and read up on it.

It's a really complicated subject that doesn't suffer massively from no deal but it makes it a lot easier if there is one.

Oh and by the way loads of countries make wine and cheese lol


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If there is no agreement. British pensioners in the rest of the would lose their right to reside there and back to blighty they will need to flee with their ailments.
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That's not true in the slightest and there is no suggestion that a deal won't be done for citizens from both sides regardless of trade.
Did you read the "If there is no agreement"? It is a possible scenario, although one that both side would want to avoid IMO.

IMO, allowing British pensioners to live in the rest of Europe, using cheap healthcare that they didn't pay for during their working lives, will be problematic. Either the UK has to give something valuable to Europe, e.g. free movement of people, or will have to pay.

Wouldn't it be funny if those that voted 'leave' to reduce the number of immigrants, and hence the pressure on housing and public services, actually got an influx of British pensioners instead? I seriously doubt that most 'leave' voters thought the consequences through.
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Did you read the "If there is no agreement"? It is a possible scenario, although one that both side would want to avoid IMO.

IMO, allowing British pensioners to live in the rest of Europe, using cheap healthcare that they didn't pay for during their working lives, will be problematic. Either the UK has to give something valuable to Europe, e.g. free movement of people, or will have to pay.

Wouldn't it be funny if those that voted 'leave' to reduce the number of immigrants, and hence the pressure on housing and public services, actually got an influx of British pensioners instead? I seriously doubt that most 'leave' voters thought the consequences through.
It will be the poorer pensioners who can't afford private healthcare that will have to return to Britain if there are no deal on healthcare arrangements after brexit. They will need care in Britain which will probably be done by immigrants.
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I didn't make the claim I scenario 3.

Scenario one is their goods cost more than they do today so we take more of our business elsewhere. Therefore they disproportionately suffer more trade loss than we do.

Scenario two doesn't exist


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Assuming going elsewhere then provided universally better value for money, which sounds doubtful. Equally doubtful is their production can't be sold elsewhere.
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