Jeremy Corbyn's real problem

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Arran90
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It's his age.

If he was in the 40s or 50s then it might be possible to take him seriously. Alright, Labour does badly in 2017 but in five years time it will be a different political playing field and the Tories could have run out of steam headed by Gordon Brown in a dress with the economy struggling badly. Sadly Corbyn could just be too old and infirm to be PM in 2022 - if he is still alive then.
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Trump is 70.

PMs in their 40s is a really just a modern thing. It isn't historically the norm. Blair and Cameron were both very young to become PMs which probably does skew our perceptions somewhat.

Having said that Corbyn does look like he would rather just go to bed a lot of the time.
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(Original post by Arran90)
It's his age.

If he was in the 40s or 50s then it might be possible to take him seriously. Alright, Labour does badly in 2017 but in five years time it will be a different political playing field and the Tories could have run out of steam headed by Gordon Brown in a dress with the economy struggling badly. Sadly Corbyn could just be too old and infirm to be PM in 2022 - if he is still alive then.
Age isn't the issue with corbyn, people just don't support him full stop.

As for 2022 the swing needed for labour to capture power would be huge.

The boundary changes will be in effect making constituency sizes very similar further making a labour victory unlikely.

Then we have the huge split in the Labour Party between corbyns people and new labour people.

Then you have the membership that doesn't support the new labour type mps.

It's very unlikely labour will win the election after this one.


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Age affects people in different ways. Trump looks about 50 and seems to be powered by pomp, and comes off as somewhat amiable. Corbyn seems cranky, yells at journalists for asking questions he doesn't like, and looks like he does political appearances between naps.
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(Original post by MildredMalone)
Age affects people in different ways. Trump looks about 50 and seems to be powered by pomp, and comes off as somewhat amiable. Corbyn seems cranky, yells at journalists for asking questions he doesn't like, and looks like he does political appearances between naps.
Trump looks incredibly unhealthy and acts like he has dementia. He is also incredibly thick.


and how does Trump not "yell at journalists"? He attacks the press all the time.
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I really don't think that age is Corbyn's main problem - if people really liked what he was saying they would vote for him regardless. Also, he's not even that old - only 67.
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Lots are people are surprised when they learn how old Trump is but he is middle aged at heart. Corbyn looks like he lives in a retirement home. Trump knew he had a good chance of winning the 2016 election but Corbyn is placing his victory on an election years past 2020 when Brexit is complete and Theresa May has either resigned as leader or gone stale. Trump is happy to be a one term president. Corbyn will not be able to achieve his dreams in just one term.
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Think he would be happy if his age was the only problem. The fact that he is shedding Labour voters is surely a bigger one?
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Are there any parallels between Corbyn and Bob Dole, the Republican candidate, from the 1996 US presidential election? Despite Reagan's advanced age whilst in office, Bob Dole was criticised at the time for being too old.
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A lot of people seem to be giving reasons (or making excuses for) Corbyn's unpopularity that range from prejudice to ignorance from his detractors.

There will be a small amount of age related prejudice I guess but that wouldn't come close to explaining his unpopularity. It is not just one thing. It's his inflexibility, his quest for ideological purity, his absence of policy details and platform of vague concepts and esoteric ideas. It's his refusal to incorporate the views of many communitarian working class voters who believe immigration threatens their way of life, his inability to cooperate and collaborate with people who don't share his world view, how he doesn't have a handle on the antisemitism in his party, how he talks too much about problems and too little on solutions, and how he historically cozied up to proscribed terrorist groups.

From hundreds of angles Jeremy offers a large amount of things that would make them think he was unfit to be pm.
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Corbyn is a relic of another era. 2015 that is. He was picked by the party members and supporters as the strongest opponent when it comes to welfare and economic policy to Messrs Cameron and Osborne with their ideologically imposed austerity. The world has moved on and Messrs Cameron and Osborne are now history following the EU referendum last year. Therefore Corbyn is fighting a completely different Conservative opponent from that when he was first elected as party leader. Sadly his 'worshippers' have not realised this nor that he is no longer the correct 'tool for the job' of providing a credible and effective opponent to the Conservatives.

The issue of EU membership will bedevil Labour until at least 2030 and the party will be seen as ambiguous and not to be trusted on the EU.
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His problem is that his policies and positions are more popular than Tory ones, but only when people aren't told whose ideas they are. That is a result of a media run by Rupert Murdoch who would much prefer to continue inviting his Tory friends to Christmas parties, and of a general public which concentrates more on personas and media narratives than policy substance.

We then have the section of young people on here who arrogantly deride Corbyn as an old fool when they are voting or supporting a party which has a history of shafting this generation and will raise the interest on student loans, scrap the maintenance grant, raise tuition fees, and underfund schools. Mrs May can't believe her luck to be in charge of a country full of naive masochists.


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(Original post by Midlander)
His problem is that his policies and positions are more popular than Tory ones, but only when people aren't told whose ideas they are. That is a result of a media run by Rupert Murdoch who would much prefer to continue inviting his Tory friends to Christmas parties, and of a general public which concentrates more on personas and media narratives than policy substance.



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Are you going to deny that Corbyn has very very real image, presentation, and organisation problems? Or would you rather simply blame it all on the press? It is not Murdoch that is ensuring Labour seems to have three different views on every policy issue, it is not Murdoch that has ensured Corbyn is ineffective in PMQs most weeks, it is not Murdoch who has ensured his own MPs despise him.

If the press were Labour's main issue then you would not have a situation where the less likely Corbyn is to become PM the more likely Labour's core are to go out and vote. You would not be seeing Labour MPs buoying their support by pushing how independent they are, and emphasising a vote for them is not a vote for Corbyn. Blaming Murdoch is akin to Clinton blaming Comey for her defeat, sure its a factor, but their own failings have far more to do with it.
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Jeremy will be older & wiser in 5 years time. his already legendary powers will raise him even higher into the Pantheon of Socialist Heroes. Like Gandalf he will be honored and feared.
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Jeremy will be older & wiser in 5 years time. his already legendary powers will raise him even higher into the Pantheon of Socialist Heroes. Like Gandalf he will be honored and feared.
the bear, an inspirational statement indeed. I hope what you say is true
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Local election results are pointing in a direction that UKIP has functioned as a vehicle to convey Labour supporters into the Conservatives on the basis of EU membership.
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His age is his problem?

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Corbyn's problem is the plp who have ensured he is unelectable, I believe if it wasn't for their smears of him by the plp then we would be looking at either a hung parliament or a labour government
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Corbyn is a campaigner and a protestor and he is good at that
Just makes it hard to see him as a PM when he has been protesting on the back benches for so long


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