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huhu
I attend a type of school that is not supporting independent learning. High workload keeps us busy and there's not much time for us to spend on activities like reading literature, sports and so forth... and this affects our thinking, actually narrows our horizon. University would be the right place for us to evolve as humans, do a little thinking about ourself and our personality, to be engaged in things. This is only possible if you're not guided to much... if you never had the chance to have some lazy time and to make your own decision what kind of person are you going to be when you're older? Nobody cares how much knowledge you have acquired when your personality tells you're a jerk.
So, if our uni's don't give us the chance to gain maturity, we could either try to catch up later or ... well, bad luck.
And as far as I know the lazy educational system of middle europe has worked pretty well.


Well if the British unis were to take the same approach you would end up having a whole load of students that do nothing and get a degree without the work which would be unfair.

We pay the university to teach us the subject not to give us independance and allow us to take a lazy degree approach. If British unis are like the ones that you are describing then I would rather get myself a job, rent a home for myself and be independant than to waste my money and pay a uni to teach me how to be independant. Do you think a uni should be wasting their time thinking about how they should make their school more independant or should they be focusing their time on how to improve their teaching methods.

And what is wrong with having a few rules. Freedom without limits or rules is no freedom at all and if unis in Germany and Austria have high drop out rates doesn't that say it all ????
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We pay the university to teach us the subject not to give us independance and allow us to take a lazy degree approach. If British unis are like the ones that you are describing then I would rather get myself a job, rent a home for myself and be independant than to waste my money and pay a uni to teach me how to be independant. Do you think a uni should be wasting their time thinking about how they should make their school more independant or should they be focusing their time on how to improve their teaching methods.


Yeah, agreed, but you take up a completely different approach to the whole issue than we do here. The perception of universities as service provider who has to teach me a syllabus while I'm paying for that in exchange is not widespread around here. That is not least due to the fact that until recently you didn't have to pay anything if you wanted to go to university. And even now you only have to pay about 400 pounds per year...
(At the same time, you don't have to apply in the classical meaning of the word. After passing a final exam you are allowed to study every subject you wish to and to change it as often as you might want to do so.)

And what is wrong with having a few rules. Freedom without limits or rules is no freedom at all and if unis in Germany and Austria have high drop out rates doesn't that say it all ????


The question is: Is the output of students of high personal quality so it's worth the high drop out rates?
Drop out rates, published papers and Nobel prizes per university might be easy to measure and conveniently used to create rankings. From my point of view, though, they are not very suitable to determine the quality of education a students has recieved at the end of his time at university.

There are more yet which are a science with a foreign language


I came across this type of courses as well. Nevertheless, I am under the impression that "science whit xy" courses are combined just to enhance a students employability. And I've never come across something that would have enabled me to study Naval engineering, genetics and art history of the 18th century at the same time. Uni's should be about education rather than vocational training so therefore it would be nice to have a freedom of choice apart from the wishes of future employers. (In this context, it seems fair to mention that Oxbridge really focuses on academics and could be seen as shining idol :-) )
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i'm ready for my cambridge rejection after my interview
Same here Rudrax, but i'm just happy it's done now :smile:
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complexsimplicity
i'm just happy it's done now :smile:


amen to that but now thats its over i kind of feel like someone thats just left prison after 20 years inside and doesn;t know what to do with their lives. It seems like i've been preparing for uni stuff since the 1st of september - reading a paper everyday and analysing it for the lnat, then reading books for my personal statement and then researching topics of interests for my interview (queens ask for it in the saq) and then learning the course inside out. Now that all of thats over i've got all my frees and morning cars journeys with nothing to do - feels like i;'ve started a new life lol.
Rudrax
i'm ready for my cambridge rejection after my interview


Hear hear... bah :frown:
Rudrax
amen to that but now thats its over i kind of feel like someone thats just left prison after 20 years inside and doesn;t know what to do with their lives. It seems like i've been preparing for uni stuff since the 1st of september - reading a paper everyday and analysing it for the lnat, then reading books for my personal statement and then researching topics of interests for my interview (queens ask for it in the saq) and then learning the course inside out. Now that all of thats over i've got all my frees and morning cars journeys with nothing to do - feels like i;'ve started a new life lol.


Perhaps you could continue studying the subject? If you're really passionate about law, why would you need the hurdle of getting into Cambridge to motivate you?
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HPSH
Perhaps you could continue studying the subject? If you're really passionate about law, why would you need the hurdle of getting into Cambridge to motivate you?


i guess i should have been more clear - what i was really trying to say is that i suddenly had a lot mroe free time on my hands now that the pressure is off to make sure i do as much as i can for my interview. I'll obviously keep going (i bought a book on the nuremburg trials the day before my interview) but i get what your saying. It was an exxaggerated way of communicating the relief of the workload after interview
I noticed the general etiquette amongst those who did not get in from my school was to tell teachers and the general community that they *had* been offered a place and had decided not to accept. In some cases I think that the worst part of rejection is the social humiliation factor rather than the fact that they won't be going to their university of choice - which explains a lot in itself.
Bumblebee3
I noticed the general etiquette amongst those who did not get in from my school was to tell teachers and the general community that they *had* been offered a place and had decided not to accept. In some cases I think that the worst part of rejection is the social humiliation factor rather than the fact that they won't be going to their university of choice - which explains a lot in itself.


One problem with doing this is that many admissions tutors send a copy of the acceptance/rejection letter to schools automatically. Sometimes even with feedback. I can understand somebody might want to cover up the fact that didn't get in (I personally wouldn't have done, though you do get some pretty obsessed applicants, and some schools filled with students who would look down on you for not getting in), but surely this fact alone is enough to deter anybody from trying to cover it up? It would be so embarassing to claim you turned down an offer, only for your teacher to receive a copy of the rejection letter.
Jigglypuff
One problem with doing this is that many admissions tutors send a copy of the acceptance/rejection letter to schools automatically. Sometimes even with feedback. I can understand somebody might want to cover up the fact that didn't get in (I personally wouldn't have done, though you do get some pretty obsessed applicants, and some schools filled with students who would look down on you for not getting in), but surely this fact alone is enough to deter anybody from trying to cover it up? It would be so embarassing to claim you turned down an offer, only for your teacher to receive a copy of the rejection letter.


Absolutely - except it appeared to be a kind of conspiracy ie. everyone is expected to turn a blind eye and go along with the pretence, despite the fact that it's obviously bunk. 'I decided it wasn't for me...' has become a euphemism!
Bumblebee3
I noticed the general etiquette amongst those who did not get in from my school was to tell teachers and the general community that they *had* been offered a place and had decided not to accept.


This does not seem to be a very bright response - it can only serve to increase the humiliation. Many schools receive feedback from the admissions tutors on each candidate and the school (and the world in general) knows that you can count on the fingers of one foot the number of candidates that decline a place at Oxbridge.
Good bloke
This does not seem to be a very bright response - it can only serve to increase the humiliation. Many schools receive feedback from the admissions tutors on each candidate and the school (and the world in general) knows that you can count on the fingers of one foot the number of candidates that decline a place at Oxbridge.



All true, but see above. I'm commenting that an odd trend has emerged where by everyone in the general community conspires to help rejected candidates save face. Everyone knows they were rejected, but they still go along with the story. I did not understand how this would work until I was faced with it:

An aquaintance told me that she had turned down a place but provided info about interview dates/college that did not add up. I later found out on the teacher network that she had been rejected, and yet I still went along with the pretence when she discussed her 'decision' with me. To question her when it was so clearly obvious she couldn't face up to it would have been cruel.
I understand, but at some stage, these people are going to have to find a more sensible mechanism for coping with rejection than denial.
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Good bloke
I understand, but at some stage, these people are going to have to find a more sensible mechanism for coping with rejection than denial.


It sounds closer to arrogance than denial, to me. It's as though their sparkling reputations would be forever tainted should anyone find out they were rejected by Oxbridge.

It really is a sad state of affairs when candidates have to cover up the fact that they were rejected by one of the best universities in the world.
I just find it really weird that this kind of thing goes on in some schools. I went to a pretty good school (state grammar as I live in an area where the 11+ system still exists), and we have people applying to Oxbridge every year, but I can't imagine anybody was so obsessed that they would try to hide their rejection.

Out of interest (Bumblebee), how many people in your school generally apply and what proportion are accepted? I really think your school (or maybe the parents of students in the school) need to start promoting a healthier attitude about the whole thing.
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Most people would still sound pretty stupid if they said they turned down an Oxbridge offer, unless they have a really convincing reason for doing so.
As one who has already had to tell people they were rejected by Cambridge without interview - my outside school friends were fine and understood how I felt but my peers were mean and said I had to be really dumb not to get an interview so I can understand how some people would want to hide the fact rather than run the gauntlet of being humiliated. My teachers were ace though and boosted my confidence up again.
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Naranoc
Most people would still sound pretty stupid if they said they turned down an Oxbridge offer, unless they have a really convincing reason for doing so.


Not really. You could decide that the course wasn't as good as the one you've been offered by another uni. You could realise that you don't want the workload. You could be intimidated by a harsh offer (get x in module y, get AEA, get a letter of approval from Gordon Brown - all whilst doing the hokey cokey.) You could be have visited elsewhere in the meantime and decided you prefer the other one. The idea that Oxbridge are, absolutely and unequivocally, the best at everything, is simply nonsense.
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HCD
Not really. You could decide that the course wasn't as good as the one you've been offered by another uni. You could realise that you don't want the workload. You could be intimidated by a harsh offer (get x in module y, get AEA, get a letter of approval from Gordon Brown - all whilst doing the hokey cokey.) You could be have visited elsewhere in the meantime and decided you prefer the other one. The idea that Oxbridge are, absolutely and unequivocally, the best at everything, is simply nonsense.


I wasn't implying that at all >_>. I stated "unless they have a really convincing reason for doing so", and I still consider turning down an Oxbridge offer because of the "workload" after the said applicant has read the prospectus, visited the uni, payed for their application and had their interviews, a fairly silly reason. It's extremely unlikely that someone who has to pretend they turned down an Oxbridge offer would be able to carry off that claim and give a valid reason to boot.

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