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Politics (inc PPE) – LSE vs. UCL, Bristol and York

Hey all,

In the midst of last minute early-application, I suddenly found myself with a dilemma between one of the places on my choices.
At current, I’ve got:
Oxford – PPE
Warwick - Economics, Politics and International Studies
Durham - General Engineering Warwick - General Engineering with Developmental Politics and Economics (aka 'Engineering with Appropriate Technology') (don’t ask, Engineering is my second love, so I’m keeping at least 1 as that)
Durham - Philosophy, Politics and Economics York - PPE
LSE -Government and Economics

Thing is, it dawned on me that there were quite a few places that are supposedly good at some of the above courses that I hadn’t even looked at. In the short of it, these were York, Bristol and,the UCL.

At the same time, I heard from an alumni of the LSE that it’s, basically, a bit dead. And I guess, I have quite ignorantly assumed it’s a great place to go because it’s supposedly best for politics (well, more arguably when you exclude Oxbridge) and in London.

Now unfortunately, I’ve had to rule the UCL out, because I’m pretty sure you can’t do their European Social and Political Studies without having studied a language at A-level first, which was pretty gutting.

However, Bristol and York (and I guess anywhere else I have overlooked) are still edging on the LSE’s spot.

So my question to you people is – what’s the LSE really like? Is it some boring, impossible-to-get-into college, where the only entertainment is the extremely expensive vasts of London? How do the other two city uni’s compare? Anything to say on them? And with the UCL, am I right about the a2 language requirement? Finally, what about my current choices, any comments? I’ve only been looking at league tables for politics, should I have glanced at Phil and Eco ones too as I’m applying to PPEs?

I know I’m asking a lot, but thanks for anyone who can help. I confess to having next to no time to sort this (admittedly my own fault) so any speedy help would be extremely appreciated. :biggrin:

Peter C.

Predicteds: (A2) Maths – A, (A2) Politics – A, (A2) Chemistry - A/B, (A2) Physics – A, (A2) Sociology – A, (AS) Further Maths – a, (AS) Electronics - c
Current Results: (A2) Maths – B, (AS) Politics – a, (AS) Chemistry - c, (AS) Physics – a, (AS) Sociology – b, (AS - 2005) Electronics - C
GCSES: 7 A*, 3.5 A's, and the early a-levels mentioned above in maths and electronics.
York is generally regarded as the best place for PPE outside of Oxford. Also I think you underestimate the might of LSE in terms of influence and achievement. It's easily on a level with Oxbridge for politics.
Reply 2
Reverieuk
Now unfortunately, I’ve had to rule the UCL out, because I’m pretty sure you can’t do their European Social and Political Studies without having studied a language at A-level first, which was pretty gutting.


As far as I know, that's not strictly true. Not doing French, German or Spanish A-Level rules you out of studying those languages, but the others are all taught ab-initio. To quote UCL's ESPS web page:

UCL
Dutch, Italian, Russian and the Scandinavian languages are available with no prior knowledge. The only requirement is a proven ability to learn one language and enthusiasm to start another.


It was enough for me to try my luck without an A-level anyway :biggrin:
Reply 3
miltonkeynes
York is generally regarded as the best place for PPE outside of Oxford. Also I think you underestimate the might of LSE in terms of influence and achievement. It's easily on a level with Oxbridge for politics.


Hmm, but those two are competing nastily...

Would I be in better standing in the world with a PPE from York than a Govt.+ Eco from the LSE?

I think I'm going to find the deciding factor in either LSE life (I'm thinking lack of uni provisions?) or entrance difficulties (massive over subscription?)

Comments extremely appreciated everyone, I need to sort this tonight. :s-smilie:
Reply 4
govt and econ from lse is rated so much higher than york ppe. In many jobs now Uni rep come first before degree and as LSE is 2nd only to harvard in Social studies in the world LSE will always be more respected than York in these sort of degrees
Reverieuk

Oxford PPE
Warwick - Economics, Politics and International Studies
Durham - General Engineering (don’t ask, Engineering is my second love, so I’m keeping at least 1 as that)
Durham - Philosophy, Politics and Economics
LSE -Government and Economics

How are you going to write your PS? you will not get into engineering with a PS mostly talking about Politics, Philosophy and Economics. They are just so different and unrelated...
Reply 6
jeffreyweingard
How are you going to write your PS? you will not get into engineering with a PS mostly talking about Politics, Philosophy and Economics. They are just so different and unrelated...


Good question. It was a challenge, but I targeted it on the extremely loose, and perhaps vague idea of improving the quality of life through the correct development, allocation and distribution of technology through the manipulation of knowledge.

I guess the best way to explain it is to show you:

My Personal Statement
From my earliest memories, I've tried relentlessly to further my knowledge of the enigmatic world in which we live. 'Knowledge is power' I would reflect, but certain knowledge gives only certain power, and for me personally, it has been the ability to help my fellow human in their struggle to enjoy life to the fullest that I have aspired to master. With such a grand ethos some speculated this was a quixotic viewpoint, but I did not let this dull my enthusiasm. Initially, I took a deep interest in exploring maths and science and jumped at opportunities to study these further, achieving extra qualifications, sometimes several years earlier than the typical candidate. I was fascinated by our everyday reliance on complex ideas and technology, and realised that it was the practical application of this knowledge that could improve the quality of human life ineffably.

Later, I became inspired and captivated by political novels, such as 'Catch 22' and 'Brave New World'; modern classics that I felt contained an almost dialectic aura, elucidating their own concerns for the well being of mankind. I realised such moralities were akin to my original aspiration I had harboured for so long. I expanded my literary exploration into classic works (Plato's 'The Republic' and Aristotle's 'Politics') developments on these (Rousseau's 'The Social Contract' and Hobbe's 'Leviathan') alongside contemporary views (David Miller's 'Political Philosophy') to add more depth and history to my understanding of politics, interlacing with the dynamic modern controversies I tracked in my own time and discussed at a debate club. I marvelled at how everyday emotions, such as love and fear, came to manifest, not an array of scholarly subjects - like books on a shelf - but rather a single body of reasoning that governs the entirety of our everyday lives -the lives I endeavoured to improve. My realisation of the similarities between the real-world results of what at first seemed diverse interests, encouraged me to maintain my scientific background, studying further maths and a physics AEA in my spare time.

Having grown up in an area of mixed social backgrounds, I have seen firsthand the inequality of life, and developed a strong feeling of duty to assist those less fortunate than myself and readily act upon it, such as voluntary work at a day care centre and developing fundraising techniques for a charity consortium, both yielding beneficial results. I also look after and aid the development of my autistic brother, helping him to live with Asperger's Syndrome.

I take pride in getting involved in my local community and have used my skills to promote events from student rallies, to school election campaigns to charity rock gigs. While serving as a Prefect and a member of the school council I used my inter-personal skills to improve the welfare of pupils, successfully campaigning for the re-emergence of Summer Uniform. I relish new and exhilarating experiences, am working towards my Duke of Edinburgh Silver Award and currently designing and constructing a switching audio amp. I have certificates in a variety of personal interests, including food technology, ICT, manufacturing techniques, geographical expeditions, the mathematics challenge and stock market trading. I take interest in film, music and other media. Reflecting my determination, I am the current record holder of the 'Bleep' Fitness Test at my high school and enjoy sport, particularly badminton.

I was proud to become a Member of the National Academy for Gifted and Talented Youth and have demonstrated my ability to reach ambitious goals - often using improvisation and creativity to facilitate success. I sincerely believe that university will offer the incredible environment I can only dream of, combining the finest education and a cosmopolitan social atmosphere, to not only further my knowledge; contribute to the university and my subject; but ultimately progress my development as a human being.


The people I have shown it to generally believed I had achieved my ambitious PS goal. However, Durham hinted that I may struggle to get through the 'personal statement filter'.

On the plus side though, Warwick said that I would be more than welcome on their 'General Engineering with Developmental Politics and Economics', (I think aka 'Engineering with Appropriate Technology'), so I think I'm going to change the engineering one to that! :biggrin:

Ultimately though, if my 1 engineering choice falls through, then sure it'll narrow my options considerably, but still be little worse off than if I applied for 5 PPE-esque ones.
Reply 7
Reverieuk

On the plus side though, Warwick said that I would be more than welcome on their 'General Engineering with Developmental Politics and Economics', (I think aka 'Engineering with Appropriate Technology'), so I think I'm going to change the engineering one to that! :biggrin:

I think you really should change Durham General Engineering to this course :wink:
Reply 8
bryan
I think you really should change Durham General Engineering to this course :wink:


That I have! :biggrin:

But I can't quite get what you're implying...wink and all...
Reply 9
I am appling to:

LSE - Philosophy, Logic and Scientific Method
Bristol - Philosophy and Politics
UCL - Philosophy

I visited UCL and LSE today and I preffered UCL on many levels. Bristol also looks very good.
Reply 10
GO UCL. I went there for an open day and it was quite good. I got an offer of ABB, including a pass at as level history-and I didn't study any languages whatsoever.
Reply 11
Hey I was just wondering "reverieuk". what offers did you actually get and have you decided where your going. By the way I thought your personal stement was brilliant. :smile:

Grant :biggrin:
Reply 12
tucker672
Hey I was just wondering "reverieuk". what offers did you actually get and have you decided where your going. By the way I thought your personal stement was brilliant. :smile:

Grant :biggrin:


Hey Grant!

Thanks for your interest :smile:

Check out my current thread.

I got an offer from Warwick (Engin) and York, but am reapplying this year.

Hope you're well. :smile:
Peter.
Reply 13
Original post by Chester123
I am appling to:

LSE - Philosophy, Logic and Scientific Method
Bristol - Philosophy and Politics
UCL - Philosophy

I visited UCL and LSE today and I preffered UCL on many levels. Bristol also looks very good.


Hi, why did you prefer UCL, if you don't mind me asking?