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they have made GCSE maths twice as hard for this year, so private schools will soar ahead in the league tables.
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Without cuts how are you supposed to cut a deficit of 120 billion a year back then? That doesn't even include the interest payments on debt.

It's called living in the real world.

If you think cuts shouldn't continue is a different matter, they absolutely had to be done back then
Than may be they should of cut wages to themselves than do cut backs for the poor people, people that cannot find jobs, people can't afford home and
healthcare.

Why make same mistake the US has been doing for long time? Are they trying to make the UK like the US? The EU not done all these cut backs and they have less poverty, less crime, less poor people and better healthcare.

It makes no sense what they are doing.
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Than may be they should of cut wages to themselves than do cut backs for the poor people, people that cannot find jobs, people can't afford home and
healthcare.

Why make same mistake the US has been doing for long time? Are they trying to make the UK like the US? The EU not done all these cut backs and they have less poverty, less crime, less poor people and better healthcare.

It makes no sense what they are doing.
Even if mps took no salary it would have saved 0.03% of the 120 billion a year back in 2010.

You can use as much hyperbole as you like you haven't said what they should have done instead.

This is the problem, disagree with it all you like, that's what a healthy democracy is for, however come up with workable alternatives


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It's a struggle but two come to mind only:

The overseas aid pledge (which the Daily Mail and Express are campaigning against)
Same sex marriage (though it needed Labour votes to go through).
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If you are 18 plus, please like this comment if you ate voting for a more fairer society on June the 8th. Vote Labour
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Increase taxes instead of reducing taxes for the richest organisations? It is the large corporations and free market capitalism that caused the 2008 crash, so why should there be further cuts that effect the normal people who had nothing to do with the crash so that the large institutions can fail to try and prove their blatantly flawed ideology? The conservatives can pretend to be the party of common sense but their allegiance to the rich is obvious and not good for society.
It was shown by labour in the 60s that if you increase tax on the rich they go elsewhere/ keep there money offshore and you end up with less tax revenue. the 2008 financial crisis was caused by a combination of labour (deregulating the market to make to easier for the poorer in society to get credit) and the American banks selling bad debt to the uk banks.
If you work hard, go to university and get a good job, start your own business, risk everything and do well, why should you pay for some scum that doesn't want to work for anything and expects everybody else to pay for his drug and gambling addictions?
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(Original post by moonhill)
Than may be they should of cut wages to themselves than do cut backs for the poor people, people that cannot find jobs, people can't afford home and
healthcare.

Why make same mistake the US has been doing for long time? Are they trying to make the UK like the US? The EU not done all these cut backs and they have less poverty, less crime, less poor people and better healthcare.

It makes no sense what they are doing.
There are 650 MPs in the uk. They are paid around £60,000 a year. so cutting them down to the average earnings of £27,000 a year would give a total of £21.5 million. How is that gonna pay for carbons £300,000,000 a year proposal for the police, his £3,000,000 a year gap in education and all the other things. Hate to break it to you mate but that is the single dumbest thing I've ever heard to fix the deficit issue in the UK
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(Original post by paul514)
Even if mps took no salary it would have saved 0.3% of the 120 billion a year back in 2010.

You can use as much hyperbole as you like you haven't said what they should have done instead.

This is the problem, disagree with it all you like, that's what a healthy democracy is for, however come up with workable alternatives


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Higher taxes on the very top earners. The very richest people in the UK have pretty much doubled their wealth and received tax cuts in the same time lower income people have faced wage stagnation/decline (nearly as bad as in Greece ffs) and welfare cuts in the name of "austerity".Not to mention multinational corporations avoiding tax on a large scale.

Perhaps if they applied austerity fairly to all sectors of society and not sheltered the richest from it then they'd have actually made progress without the poorest people taking the burden.
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Higher taxes on the very top earners. The very richest people in the UK have pretty much doubled their wealth and received tax cuts in the same time lower income people have faced wage stagnation/decline (nearly as bad as in Greece ffs) and welfare cuts in the name of "austerity".Not to mention multinational corporations avoiding tax on a large scale.

Perhaps if they applied austerity fairly to all sectors of society and not sheltered the richest from it then they'd have actually made progress without the poorest people taking the burden.
The tax cuts of dropping from 50 to 45%? That labour upper tax rate that lasted a few months?

The cutting of corporation tax which resulted in more jobs, higher investment and higher corporation tax receipts?

Or the raising of the of the tax free allowance which benefits everyone?

Please give specifics


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(Original post by paul514)
The tax cuts of dropping from 50 to 45%? That labour upper tax rate that lasted a few months?

The cutting of corporation tax which resulted in more jobs, higher investment and higher corporation tax receipts?

Or the raising of the of the tax free allowance which benefits everyone?

Please give specifics


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I think there are too many factors to argue that the cutting of taxes resulted in higher employment and investment. There is nothing to say these improvements would not have come about if the tax rate had stayed the same. Also to claim that the cutting of tax will result in more revenue for government only holds true if higher corporation tax limits relative growth to a high enough degree, which is unlikely and impossible to prove.
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I think there are too many factors to argue that the cutting of taxes resulted in higher employment and investment. There is nothing to say these improvements would not have come about if the tax rate had stayed the same. Also to claim that the cutting of tax will result in more revenue for government only holds true if higher corporation tax limits relative growth to a high enough degree, which is unlikely and impossible to prove.
I'm talking about what's happened not what would happen if done further.

There's plenty of data out there


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(Original post by paul514)
I'm talking about what's happened not what would happen if done further.

There's plenty of data out there


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Yes by saying:

(Original post by paul514)

The cutting of corporation tax which resulted in more jobs, higher investment and higher corporation tax receipts?


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How do you know that the reduction in corporation tax was the sole reason for an increase in investment, employment and tax revenue. If you have an economy that is growing by its self, then all these things will increase without government intervention and the tax revenue will be even higher, so less cuts need to be made.
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(Original post by alfredholmes)
Yes by saying:



How do you know that the reduction in corporation tax was the sole reason for an increase in investment, employment and tax revenue. If you have an economy that is growing by its self, then all these things will increase without government intervention and the tax revenue will be even higher, so less cuts need to be made.
Because the data shows when they made the changes there was a rise in all of those indices at the corresponding times.

It's also widely accepted that those changes were the major factors for those rises.


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Computer science as part of the National Curriculum replacing that pathetic and boring ICT.

I don't trust Labour with upholding this subject.
Interesting you said this. One the one hand I agree. But on the other hand, they sacked of ICT all-together and replaced it with ECDL which is even duller and even more boring than ICT. In Gove's drive to make everyone a Classics Scholar much of degree CS has come down into A-level and GCSE is not dissimilar to the old A-level. The result is that Computer Science and IT is now out of reach of the majority of students which in the information age is pointless.

As for other bad things the Tories have done:
- Brexit (nightmare to come)
- NHS in crisis
- Social services in crisis
- Police in crisis
- Prison service in crisis
- Councils in crisis - we now have three weekly bin collections
- Schools in crisis
- Cuts to all areas of education

The only good thing I can think of is that they are building a new road to reduce congestion near my house but it is hardly a progressive move forward. Why not encourage people to work at home by investing in broadband?
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(Original post by paul514)
Without cuts how are you supposed to cut a deficit of 120 billion a year back then? That doesn't even include the interest payments on debt.

It's called living in the real world.

If you think cuts shouldn't continue is a different matter, they absolutely had to be done back then


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After World War two we had debts of 120% GDP. Rather than cutting we massively increased spending and managed to reduced the debt by around 36%.

Similar story with FDR in the USA.

The idea that you need cuts to reduce the debt is fantasy economics and demonstrates a clear lack of understanding about how national economies work.
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After World War two we had debts of 120% GDP. Rather than cutting we massively increased spending and managed to reduced the debt by around 36%.

Similar story with FDR in the USA.

The idea that you need cuts to reduce the debt is fantasy economics and demonstrates a clear lack of understanding about how national economies work.
I would say that what happened 84 to 72 years ago is irrelevant, the financial system is completely different.

I want to know what you think should have been done in 2010 to bring down the deficit, you don't even look at the debt until you control the day to day spending deficit.


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I would say that what happened 84 to 72 years ago is irrelevant, the financial system is completely different.

I want to know what you think should have been done in 2010 to bring down the deficit, you don't even look at the debt until you control the day to day spending deficit.


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Why is it completely different? Economics is economics. Spending hugely led to massive economic growth and a reduction in the debt then. Why cannot it not do the same now?

Doing what America did under Obama. A stimulus package to create demand and promote growth.

The worrying figure is not public debt but private debt. Private debt has risen significantly under the Tories and that makes a financial crash far more likely as it did in 2008.

Yet people only seem to care about public debt.
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(Original post by Bornblue)
After World War two we had debts of 120% GDP. Rather than cutting we massively increased spending and managed to reduced the debt by around 36%.

Similar story with FDR in the USA.

The idea that you need cuts to reduce the debt is fantasy economics and demonstrates a clear lack of understanding about how national economies work.
We borrowed from the US to pay the existing debts and finished paying for it in 05.
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Oh goodness, where do we start?
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The NHS/social care crisis
The Personal Independence Payment (PIP) debacle
The Snooper's Charter
"People go to food banks for many reasons."
The National Living Wage
Jeremy Hunt
Michael Gove
Boris Johnson

I've never been a Tory fan and I really liked Corbyn at first, but now it feels like all the major parties are either shooting themselves in the feet or cutting their noses off to spite their faces.
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Leaving the European Court of Justice (throw in taking away the Human Rights Act)?? Not letting legal migrants enter as much?? Bombing Libya and Syria (throwing trading arms with Saudi Arabia)?? Passing laws allowing them access into our private lives?? Good things?? What??

(Original post by Rakas21)
The Tories have done good in..

Increased the tax threshold
Ended grade inflation
Engaged in air strikes on Libya and Syria
Reduced the deficit from 10.4% of GDP to 2.9% of GDP.
Overseen moderate economic growth from 2013 onward.
Overseen record highs in employment.
Passing the Snoopers charter which substantially increases the scope of our intelligence services
Opposed taking refugees and kept us out of that horrid EU quota.
Are going to take us out of the ECJ and customs union.

What they have done badly..

Badger Cull
Incompetent implementation of welfare policy - Disability reviews and spare room subsidy policies are good things but were done horribly.
From a PR point of view they should never have allowed job centers to refer people to food banks, it has given Labour a stick to beat them with even though these people existed before 2010.
Although i commend them for making internal cuts within the NHS we are reaching a point where A&E is starting to struggle and waiting times are increasing. They have not been aggressive enough in stripping away waste within the NHS.
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