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    ... in the last 70 years. I mean after WW2
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    (Original post by Sarahsez)
    ... in the last 70 years.
    It won WW2
    It won cold war.
    It won iraq war.
    Its winning the Syrian war.

    This is on top of my head.
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    It never lost a war in which it used mules. It ought to use more mules.
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    Military might and political willingness to use full extent of that might are two very different things.

    There's no doubt that the US military machine is the most powerful that exists.
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    Alice Lyman Miller defines a superpower as

    "a country that has the capacity to project dominating power and influence anywhere in the world, and sometimes, in more than one region of the globe at a time, and so may plausibly attain the status of global hegemony."

    Oxford dictionary
    A very powerful and influential nation (used especially with reference to the US and the former Soviet Union when these were perceived as the two most powerful nations in the world)

    Are you denying it fits either of those definitions?

    It still has the most powerful military in the world.

    Which war has it actually lost other than Vietnam?
    When has it ever been invaded and surrendered?
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    (Original post by Sarahsez)
    I mean after ww2. Syria and Iraq wow.

    Couldn't even defeat Vietnamese or the Afghan taliban.
    They are terrorist organisations, peace is more important now. USA won, do they run the world? No.

    1947 all wars lost after that? Do we have communism in our country? No, we won the cold war, thats after 1947.
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    I mean even the UK defeated Argentina when the French were supplying them with weapons and the yanks refused to help.

    whilst the USA has never won a war alone. Shocking!
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    The united states has won every single most important military campaign it has taken part in after unification(Excluding bay of pigs invasion).

    I'm from Pakistan and our Government has a policy to tackle anti-Pakistan groups in Afghanistan starting from the time of Partition of british India in 47.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan...tan_skirmishes
    This is why Pakistan and Afghans even fight today ,It is because powerful groups want to maintain hostile relations with Pakistan inside Afghanistan because it serves their purpose.
    Before 2014 Pakistan has a Good taliban policy (One's that don't attack Pakistanis but attack american's) however this changed soon after the APS attacks.
    The lower braches of our military and intelligence (ISI) supports the taliban because they sympathize with them while at the same time fight off the groups fighting the Government.
    So far the only war it seems to have lost is the gulf war and the Afghan civil war because the complexity is just beeyond them and they don't seem to have learned anything but war hysteria after Nam.
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    Best training and most advanced technology does not win wars. For example the Korean and Vietnam war.
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    Military might and political willingness to use full extent of that might are two very different things.

    There's no doubt that the US military machine is the most powerful that exists.
    china is stronger
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    I'm pretty sure it hasn't lost every war though...
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    (Original post by 999tigger)
    Alice Lyman Miller defines a superpower as

    "a country that has the capacity to project dominating power and influence anywhere in the world, and sometimes, in more than one region of the globe at a time, and so may plausibly attain the status of global hegemony."

    Oxford dictionary
    A very powerful and influential nation (used especially with reference to the US and the former Soviet Union when these were perceived as the two most powerful nations in the world)

    Are you denying it fits either of those definitions?

    It still has the most powerful military in the world.

    Which war has it actually lost other than Vietnam?
    When has it ever been invaded and surrendered?

    Since World War 2, America has clearly won only one of five major conflicts: Operation Desert Storm. Korea was a bloody stalemate, Vietnam an “outright military defeat,” and both Afghanistan and Iraq — America's two longest wars — hardly look like victories. They still haven't defeated the Taliban for a start.
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    They lost in Vitenam and in Afghanistan.
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    I could've sworn that the USA (and many western countries) aren't communist....
    USA won the cold war but I guess that wouldn't justify it being a military superpower because the cold war didn't really test the military might (that much) but rather the political and economical influence of USA and USSR. Neither USA or USSR used a significant amount of their military in the proxy wars.
    I really can't think of any significant war the USA has lost other than the Vietnam war?
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    (Original post by Sarahsez)
    I mean even the UK defeated Argentina when the yanks refused to help.
    No they didn't.

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    china is stronger
    If you can't say anything intelligent, don't say anything at all.
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    (Original post by Sarahsez)
    Since World War 2, America has clearly won only one of five major conflicts: Operation Desert Storm. Korea was a bloody stalemate, Vietnam an “outright military defeat,” and both Afghanistan and Iraq — America's two longest wars — hardly look like victories. They still haven't defeated the Taliban for a start.

    You miss the point , which is superpower is defined by having power and not by winning wars, which makes your OP misconstrued and redundant.Yes they are still a military superpower and imo the only one.


    Ive already pointed out the loss in Vietnam.
    CK Feister makes the relevant point that they won the Cold War

    In terms of military they clearly romped home in both Iraq wars.
    Afghanistan is more complicated they just went to a stalemate. You claim they lost.

    Stalemate is stalemate and not lost.

    A situation in which further action or progress by opposing or competing parties seems impossible.
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    (Original post by Sarahsez)
    Since World War 2, America has clearly won only one of five major conflicts: Operation Desert Storm. Korea was a bloody stalemate, Vietnam an “outright military defeat,” and both Afghanistan and Iraq — America's two longest wars — hardly look like victories. They still haven't defeated the Taliban for a start.
    How are Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden doing?
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    (Original post by Sarahsez)
    I mean even the UK defeated Argentina when the French were supplying them with weapons and the yanks refused to help.
    Except you are incorrect again and the US did aid the UK during the Falklands conflict if you do any research. Intelligence, diplomatic support, latest sidewinder missiles and fuel.
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    (Original post by Sarahsez)
    Best training and most advanced technology does not win wars. For example the Korean and Vietnam war.
    Remind me what happened in Korea again?
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    So, let's take a look at the post WWII US war record:
    Korea: Stalemate, could be argued as a win since the mission parameters were achieved, but we'll stick with stalemate
    Vietnam: Loss
    Gulf: Clear and decisive victory
    Kosovo: win
    Afghanistan: First Afghan war won, second ongoing
    Iraq: Win
    ISIS: ongoing

    But let's put the record aside and look at what it means to be a local/regional/global/super(/hyper)power. It's a measure of influence, primarily we think of it as military but also economic. In its day the British Empire was a super power, in its day the USSR was a super power, and the US remains a super power.

    Perhaps what needs looking at is the great/super power difference. Britain remains a great power: we have a very strong economy, major cultural influence (primarily residual due to the spread of the English Language), and we have a big stick. On the military front we have a hardly small set of highly advanced armed forces and very good power projection capabilities with lots of overseas bases (I think going so far as on all permanently inhabited continents) and one of the best logistics systems in the world, all this taken together means that, on paper, in a war in a theatre equidistant from both us and the opposing force only America should beat us every time, the likes of France, Russia, and China should lose most of the time, but we could only fight one such war at a time.

    What distinguishes a super power is that it could effectively fight multiple wars on different continents with multiple global powers, and the US still meets this criterion. Their six fleets allow them to dominate the seas, and they have sufficiently large army and navy (plus the Marines) to be able to fight those wars with 1.3m active personnel, plus another 800k reservists, plus tens of millions who are of military age and have conscription.

    Nobody sane can suggest the US is not a superpower, if even your false premise is accepted.
 
 
 
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