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Reply 40
I said his theory was against religious beliefs? is this correct
Original post by School_ftw

I put that his theory went against the idea, that all animals were created by God - so this made i him look ridiculous and mocked him.



Yes, it was to mock him. But that's not explicit enough.
The question asked why he was drawn as a monkey, specifically. You would've had to mention that people of the time were reluctant to believe they were descended from apes (religious or not).
That's why some of the Darwin-monkey cartoons show him eloping with a monkey or hugging a monkey "brother".
Reply 42
Original post by clumsyorange
Yes, it was to mock him. But that's not explicit enough.
The question asked why he was drawn as a monkey, specifically. You would've had to mention that people of the time were reluctant to believe they were descended from apes (religious or not).
That's why some of the Darwin-monkey cartoons show him eloping with a monkey or hugging a monkey "brother".


Yeah but it was only one mark. I think no the 3 acceptable answers will be bullet pointed on the mark scheme as :

- Mock / ridicule
- People didn't believe him
- He went against previous beliefs
Has anyone got the unofficial mark scheme? x
Reply 44
Original post by saspinall
Has anyone got the unofficial mark scheme? x


There's a thread for it somewhere I think.

I got 5000 for the first one
Photosynthesis and glucose for the next
Skin and sweat and kidneys and urine for the next
I can't really remember specifically other questions though.

For the monkey one I put to mock him
For the 6 mark question I wrote about skin being the receptor and touching a hot stove. The stove was the stimulus and the receptors for pain and temperature in the skin detect this, they send an electrical impulse to the sensory neurone, then across a synapse then to the relay neurone and then to the motor neurone via a synapse. The motor neurone then triggers the effector (the muscle) to contract and pull the hand away.
I think it's ridiculous that students are "baffled" over this, complaining it isn't relevant. For the GCSE Biology AQA specification, you have to learn about Darwin and his theory of evolution. It's a simple application of knowledge and was worth a grand total of 1 mark.

I love how GCSE students always make the news with questions they think are not relevant or are unnecessarily difficult.
Original post by GSCE 2017
what do you think the grade boundaries will be like?


I feel it'll be very high because it was too easy.
Original post by perfectlywrecked
Ahh! I knew I was missing something. I wrote that it was because he believed humans evolved from apes. I've always hated biology:frown:


The theory of evolution doesn't state that humans evolved from apes or monkeys, but that they share a common ancestor (which would have both ape-like and humanoid features/traits).

The whole "monkey/ape to human" is more of a misunderstanding, or deliberate misrepresentation of evolution in an attempt to mock/discredit it.
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Reply 48
Original post by clumsyorange
Yes, it was to mock him. But that's not explicit enough.
The question asked why he was drawn as a monkey, specifically. You would've had to mention that people of the time were reluctant to believe they were descended from apes (religious or not).
That's why some of the Darwin-monkey cartoons show him eloping with a monkey or hugging a monkey "brother".


Well being only one mark I doubt you would need an explanation that specific. And it's certainly better than simply putting "humans evolved from monkeys/apes" (which is wrong as well, as we only share common ancestors). By following that logic, that answer wouldn't be specific enough either.
that question just confused me , i was like WTH , why would you put a question like that in the paper.
Reply 50
Original post by Amefish
I think it's ridiculous that students are "baffled" over this, complaining it isn't relevant. For the GCSE Biology AQA specification, you have to learn about Darwin and his theory of evolution. It's a simple application of knowledge and was worth a grand total of 1 mark.

I love how GCSE students always make the news with questions they think are not relevant or are unnecessarily difficult.


If you look on the unofficial mark scheme, most people are saying something along the lines of "we evolved from monkeys/apes", which isn't correct, as we only shared a common ancestor. And that may not be correct as is.
Original post by School_ftw
If you look on the unofficial mark scheme, most people are saying something along the lines of "we evolved from monkeys/apes", which isn't correct, as we only shared a common ancestor. And that may not be correct as is.


Both answers I've seen have validity: "representative of evolutionary history"/"representative of the views of society at the time - rejection of his theory and therefore mockery".

But in both answers above, these are things that you should be taught as a part of the specification and it's just knowledge application. Not having a personal dig at you btw! Was this on the higher or foundation paper?
Reply 52
Original post by Amefish
Both answers I've seen have validity: "representative of evolutionary history"/"representative of the views of society at the time - rejection of his theory and therefore mockery".

But in both answers above, these are things that you should be taught as a part of the specification and it's just knowledge application. Not having a personal dig at you btw! Was this on the higher or foundation paper?


I agree, it's not a topic that is taught particularly well at my school - I wouldn't think so either at many other schools. This was in the higher paper; I'd assume it was in foundation too.
The way I see it, it's just a really awkward way of asking you to talk about opposition to Darwin's arguments, which you need to be able to do as part of B1. Plus, it's also asking you to use your knowledge of one of the key tenets of Darwin's argument; that humans and apes (and all other organisms) developed from a common ancestor - that's the basis for the cartoon, as his hypothesis was misunderstood/oversimplified at the time. They didn't realise that he meant humans and apes had a common ancestor; they thought he meant apes became human.

Yes, the way in which the question is framed is a bit strange, but there is some relevance between it and the specification. As well as this, seeing as it's a single mark (out of 60, meaning it is worth 0.016 of your exam), you shouldn't be too concerned about it.
Reply 54
I wrote "people believed that god created all life on Earth, and mocked Darwin as he believed we evolved from monkeys"
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Original post by School_ftw
Well being only one mark I doubt you would need an explanation that specific. And it's certainly better than simply putting "humans evolved from monkeys/apes" (which is wrong as well, as we only share common ancestors). By following that logic, that answer wouldn't be specific enough either.


1 mark for shared common ancestry between monkeys and humans.

How is that two specific? The paper gave you 2 lines for that question it's obviously not 'to mock him'.
Reply 56
Original post by StudyJosh
1 mark for shared common ancestry between monkeys and humans.

How is that two specific? The paper gave you 2 lines for that question it's obviously not 'to mock him'.


Actually it is most likely the correct answer (from collective best judgement until the Mark scheme is released), as stated before. Some person could have drawn him as a monkey, for ANY reason at all - which is highly unlikely to be because we shared a slight common ancestry link with monkeys and apes.

Why would someone think "Oh look, Darwin supposedly said we share a common ancestor. Let's draw him like a monkey because he said we share common ancestry!". The typical train of thought and reasoning "That theory is ridiculous! God made all humans! Let's draw him like a monkey, so we can mock him to everyone for this ridicule!" The latter was the very common opinion to do with religion, and that Darwins idea were therefore crazy.

And most importantly, by drawing him as a monkey, they are explicitly admitting his theory to be true (which they most certainly did NOT, at the time). The only reasonable explanation is that they were mocking him, and to ridicule him. Look at the two links. It even says that a "newspaper" "cartooned" Darwin as a monkey, to mock him. In both.

Simply stating "1 mark for shared common ancestry between monkeys and humans." is an arrogant thing to do. At least attempt to even justify your answer. You don't have the mark scheme, nor do I or anyone else. I'm providing evidence for the likely answer, to a single Mark question.
Original post by School_ftw
Actually it is most likely the correct answer (from collective best judgement until the Mark scheme is released), as stated before. Some person could have drawn him as a monkey, for ANY reason at all - which is highly unlikely to be because we shared a slight common ancestry link with monkeys and apes.

Why would someone think "Oh look, Darwin supposedly said we share a common ancestor. Let's draw him like a monkey because he said we share common ancestry!". The typical train of thought and reasoning "That theory is ridiculous! God made all humans! Let's draw him like a monkey, so we can mock him to everyone for this ridicule!" The latter was the very common opinion to do with religion, and that Darwins idea were therefore crazy.

And most importantly, by drawing him as a monkey, they are explicitly admitting his theory to be true (which they most certainly did NOT, at the time). The only reasonable explanation is that they were mocking him, and to ridicule him. Look at the two links. It even says that a "newspaper" "cartooned" Darwin as a monkey, to mock him. In both.

Simply stating "1 mark for shared common ancestry between monkeys and humans." is an arrogant thing to do. At least attempt to even justify your answer. You don't have the mark scheme, nor do I or anyone else. I'm providing evidence for the likely answer, to a single Mark question.


there's no point drawing him as a monkey for any reason.

I wasn't being arrogant, I was showing how simple the mark is.

You are wrong because history disagrees with you:

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I quote: "Before Charles Darwin and his groundbreaking theory of evolution, primates were mainly used as caricatures of human nature."

Monkeys were used to mock everyone so that is obvious.

This page MENTIONS nothing about God so you flopped there m8.

Then I quote from the page: "Darwin's facial expression seems to encourage the monkey to recognise their common ancestry."

Drawing Darwin as a monkey is not admitting to his theory it's mocking him for his belief in common ancestry between humans and monkeys. It is obvious he was being mocked - this isn't Foundation Tier.
Reply 58
Original post by StudyJosh
there's no point drawing him as a monkey for any reason.

I wasn't being arrogant, I was showing how simple the mark is.

You are wrong because history disagrees with you:

darwincapture1highlight.PNG

I quote: "Before Charles Darwin and his groundbreaking theory of evolution, primates were mainly used as caricatures of human nature."

Monkeys were used to mock everyone so that is obvious.

This page MENTIONS nothing about God so you flopped there m8.

Then I quote from the page: "Darwin's facial expression seems to encourage the monkey to recognise their common ancestry."

Drawing Darwin as a monkey is not admitting to his theory it's mocking him for his belief in common ancestry between humans and monkeys. It is obvious he was being mocked - this isn't Foundation Tier.


Yes, exactly - so you see my point. I never denied the fact that we didn't share common ancestry with monkeys/apes. The answer "shared common ancestry between monkeys and humans" alone, exactly as you put it, is insufficient. The answer that I raised at the start - that his theory went against the idea that all animals were created by god, thereby drawing him as a monkey/ape mocked him - is most likely sufficient. One (in he context of him being drawn as a monkey) could have equally said, in a much more crude and blunt form, that Darwin made claims that we shared common ancestry with apes. The question would have most likely said "What was Darwin's theory of common ancestry?" - instead of very explicitly stating that he was drawn as a monkey.

Look again at the provided links. It very clearly says that Darwin was mocked,
THROUGH this picture of him with the head of a monkey, which exposes him to ridicule.

What do you think is more likely, an explicit point that appears in the syllabus - that is his theory was NOT believed until 50 years later, so he was therefore mocked - Or, the point that is loosely based on the fact that we shared a common ancestor (which does not explicitly appear in the AQA syllabus), that is an ambiguous and undeveloped answer?


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Original post by School_ftw
Yes, exactly - so you see my point. I never denied the fact that we didn't share common ancestry with monkeys/apes. The answer "shared common ancestry between monkeys and humans" alone, exactly as you put it, is insufficient. The answer that I raised at the start - that his theory went against the idea that all animals were created by god, thereby drawing him as a monkey/ape mocked him - is most likely sufficient. One (in he context of him being drawn as a monkey) could have equally said, in a much more crude and blunt form, that Darwin made claims that we shared common ancestry with apes. The question would have most likely said "What was Darwin's theory of common ancestry?" - instead of very explicitly stating that he was drawn as a monkey.

Look again at the provided links. It very clearly says that Darwin was mocked,
THROUGH this picture of him with the head of a monkey, which exposes him to ridicule.

What do you think is more likely, an explicit point that appears in the syllabus - that is his theory was NOT believed until 50 years later, so he was therefore mocked - Or, the point that is loosely based on the fact that we shared a common ancestor (which does not explicitly appear in the AQA syllabus), that is an ambiguous and undeveloped answer?


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We know they were mocking him though. And you can get points for things not on the specification.

You said this: 'The question would have most likely said "What was Darwin's theory of common ancestry?" - instead of very explicitly stating that he was drawn as a monkey.'

but that's not true because that has nothing to do with his theory of common ancestry. Darwin's theory of common ancestry was part of evolution and it is not answered by saying 'Darwin suggested monkeys and humans were common ancestors'.

The stuff about creationism and such answers the next part of the question which asked why they didn't believe Darwin.

Nevertheless, it was only a 1 mark question and tbh the belief 'They wanted to mock darwin' may be enough.

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