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What should I say?

Here's the story: I was best friends with a girl all through secondary school and up to the start of uni. Around the start of uni she developed a lot of problems - depression, a close friend died, family problems etc and she leaned on me a lot for support. I started going out with my now fiance in first year and she took an instant dislike to him, to the point of telling me she hated him (despite never having really talked to him) and never wanted to see him again. I tried to talk to her about it a few times but she wouldn't be open about how she felt and in the end she just refused to talk about it at all. Things really deteriorated between us. My fiance and I got engaged on my birthday nearly two years ago and I invited her to the party (there was an uneasy truce going on at the time) but she said she was busy and would get in contact with me later. I was very hurt at the time because she was supposed to be my best friend and at the very least she could have popped along to say happy birthday. At that time as well I was miffed because it was always me getting in contact with her rather than the other way around. So, I deleted her number from my phone so that she would have to contact me. Fast forward to today (nearly two years later). I haven't heard a word from her until she bumped into my fiance today and asked him about me (bear in mind she wouldn't say a word to him before). She asked if I had the same number and he said yes, so she just texted me with a fairly ordinary "hope you're well, why don't we meet for coffee" message, claiming she tried to contact me a while back with no success.

I don't know what to do. I have a lot of anger at her still for how things ended up between us, but we were friends for nearly ten years and it's hard to forget that. She wasn't a great friend to me, looking back on it, she never gave me much support while I was always there for her, and I really don't want to get sucked back into that sort of set up again. I partly think I should meet her and talk things over but I doubt it'll do any good for anyone. Anyone got any advice?

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Reply 1

I think you should meet up with her. You've still got some anger there so you may as well meet up and sort it out, you may find that when you do meet her you wont feel angry and it was so long ago.. you dont have to be best friends with her again, but its always better to be friends than enemies :smile:

Reply 2

prettygreeneyes99
I think you should meet up with her. You've still got some anger there so you may as well meet up and sort it out, you may find that when you do meet her you wont feel angry and it was so long ago.. you dont have to be best friends with her again, but its always better to be friends than enemies :smile:


I suppose part of what I'm worried about is that I tend be a terrible sucker for friends - I forgive people far too easily and tend to let them walk all over me. I let her do it for far too long and I'm afraid we'll get back into that situation because I find it hard to stand up to her in particular. I'm really torn about this.

Reply 3

I agree with prettygreeneyes99, you should talk with her

Reply 4

Meet up, but be on guard? Chances are it'll be a one off thing anyway.

Reply 5

Will get messy. Avoid, avoid. Unless you think you'll always be like 'hmm?' if you don't see her, in which case have one coffee, then avoid.

Reply 6

You have to keep in mind that it has been 2 years, and while how she acted towards you and your fiancé back then was unfair and hurtful.. she may have changed.
Maybe you should try meeting up for coffee and just having a chat, see where you both stand. Neither of you will be able to ignore what happened, but that’s probably a good thing, you can talk it through. You don’t have to be amazing friends again but you may feel better if you clear the air.


Seoid
I suppose part of what I'm worried about is that I tend be a terrible sucker for friends - I forgive people far too easily and tend to let them walk all over me. I let her do it for far too long and I'm afraid we'll get back into that situation because I find it hard to stand up to her in particular. I'm really torn about this.


As for the one-sided friendship, I know exactly how you feel. I have a friend who is exactly the same, but I have learnt in the last couple of years how to distance myself from her on certain levels. We're still friends and I help her out when she needs it, but I have learnt to recognise when I am been taken advantage of. Something you probably need to do too.
You don’t have to lose your friendship over this, just be a bit careful. :biggrin:

Reply 7

Seoid
I suppose part of what I'm worried about is that I tend be a terrible sucker for friends - I forgive people far too easily and tend to let them walk all over me. I let her do it for far too long and I'm afraid we'll get back into that situation because I find it hard to stand up to her in particular. I'm really torn about this.


yeah me too. I hate me for having this characteristic. You know i don't know why, once i waited for my friend for hours in library just to help him do his assignment ( the guy came but hours!! from the actual appointment). I can just live him, but the idea of leaving someone to struggle alone is not me.

Seoid, why not try to meet her and if you have the chance ( and perfect timing), why not you tell her all those things she has done to you. Don't ambush her, try slaw talk to her, refreshing back the old days and tell her what she had done to you, see how she reacts. If she disagree or fought back, its ok. Just be calm and tell her the truth of what you feel about her. I know you kept this to your self for a long time and the thought of her kept you resenting her again and again. If you express your emotion ( in a calmly manner) it might bring you close back to each other. Hope it make sense :smile:

Reply 8

Thanks for the advice everyone, it really helps. I would dearly love to do what you suggest newman24x, and it makes a lot of sense, but in the past when I brought up anything like that she just shut down and wouldn't talk about it - it's so frustrating. Plus she used to play a lot on the fact that she had depression and make me feel guilty about making her feel bad about things. In many ways I think it was an abusive relationship and one part of me thinks I might get a lot of closure from telling her how I feel, but the other part warns that I'll probably only end up feeling like ****. We were really close for years - as in, we spent every day together - but towards the end it got really bad and she hurt me a lot, so warning bells are kind of ringing telling me to just stay away from her. I still love her I suppose, and that's why I'm so tempted to talk to her again, but I don't think anything good will come out of it.

Plus, I know part of it would involve me getting some sort of "revenge" which I think is totally unacceptable.

Reply 9

This is OT, but I had a friend insist I read this thread because he feels that I irrationally dislike his girlfriend. He has told me a great deal about his girlfriend's personal history with substance abuse, self-mutilation, and other self-destructive behavior, which is why I think she is bad news (not suggesting this is why your friend hates your fiance, I'm just stealing your thread a bit). Now he is convinced that we will not be able to remain friends if I continue to not approve of his girlfriend. So he is essentially holding our friendship hostage over my opinion. I don't think it's very fair that he suggests that I must change my opinion of her in order to continue being friends. I have had many friends who sometimes disapproved of a boyfriend or girlfriend of someone in our group, but it was never personally, nor did it create nearly this much tension.

I realize I hijacked your thread, apologies. Am I being unreasonable in saying that I won't change my opinion just to make my friend happy? Firstly, I don't think it's possible to truly do that, I'd just be lying to placate. Secondly, is it even fair to ask someone to flat out change their mind on a person just to make another happy?

Reply 10

I think she is jealous of him. She's a lesbian and likes the OP.

Reply 11

Anonymous
This is OT, but I had a friend insist I read this thread because he feels that I irrationally dislike his girlfriend. He has told me a great deal about his girlfriend's personal history with substance abuse, self-mutilation, and other self-destructive behavior, which is why I think she is bad news (not suggesting this is why your friend hates your fiance, I'm just stealing your thread a bit). Now he is convinced that we will not be able to remain friends if I continue to not approve of his girlfriend. So he is essentially holding our friendship hostage over my opinion. I don't think it's very fair that he suggests that I must change my opinion of her in order to continue being friends. I have had many friends who sometimes disapproved of a boyfriend or girlfriend of someone in our group, but it was never personally, nor did it create nearly this much tension.

I realize I hijacked your thread, apologies. Am I being unreasonable in saying that I won't change my opinion just to make my friend happy? Firstly, I don't think it's possible to truly do that, I'd just be lying to placate. Secondly, is it even fair to ask someone to flat out change their mind on a person just to make another happy?


I think you're completely entitled to your opinion and that there's no reason for you to change it. The main thing is that you don't make life difficult for your friend as a result of your opinion. For example with the friend I'm talking about here, she refused to be in the same room as my fiance and even went so far as to suggest that I couldn't invite him to my birthday party because she would be there! That's just ridiculous in my view. I never wanted or expected her to like my fiance (even though that would have been great) I just wanted her to have consideration for that fact that he was part of my life. I think the fact that your friend is so insistent on you liking his gf indicates that he has some insecurity about her - that he to some extent agrees with your reservations and feels that by changing your mind he'll somehow combat his own uneasiness.

Reply 12

devilsthorn
I think she is jealous of him. She's a lesbian and likes the OP.



Even though I think you probably intended your post as a joke, I have often considered this possibility. The way she reacted when I started seeing my fiance was as though I was cheating on her - she became ridiculously possessive and jealous and irrational. She's never come out as a lesbian, but I have wondered.

Reply 13

To the OP:
She was very harsh to you. She took your support for granted and the relationship seemed 70:30 on your side. I would feel bitter about what she chose to do if it was me, especially if there wasn't a reason to hate your partner. Maybe she felt he took you away from her. However, it sounds like you still want to be friends, so go for it.

Reply 14

Seoid
Even though I think you probably intended your post as a joke, I have often considered this possibility. The way she reacted when I started seeing my fiance was as though I was cheating on her - she became ridiculously possessive and jealous and irrational. She's never come out as a lesbian, but I have wondered.


From her actions it's obvious she's in love with you but just haven't made a move on you yet. I'm serious.

Reply 15

I think you should meet up and try to sort things out. Maybe she's got a hold of herself now, and wants to make amends for not being quite a brilliant as she could have been before.

I do know what I'm talking about to a degree, one of my best friends hates my boyfriend of 3 years. It just came out of the blue suddenly, when she hardly even knows him. But she has also had a lot of problems and leant on me a lot during that time.

Maybe it just feels to them as though their pillar of strength is being taken away from them and that they're gonna fall over. I dunno, but whenever I asked my friend about it she avoided it too. Eventually I got her to say that she hated him, didn't know why but just did. I still don't know why.

In the end, you obviously love your fiance, and your friend will have to learn to be happy for you regardless as to her feelings about him. If she truly is your friend she'll do that much at least. But meet up anyway - you can never have too many friends, and the chance to get one back shouldn't be passed up.

Reply 16

Seoid
I think you're completely entitled to your opinion and that there's no reason for you to change it. The main thing is that you don't make life difficult for your friend as a result of your opinion. For example with the friend I'm talking about here, she refused to be in the same room as my fiance and even went so far as to suggest that I couldn't invite him to my birthday party because she would be there! That's just ridiculous in my view. I never wanted or expected her to like my fiance (even though that would have been great) I just wanted her to have consideration for that fact that he was part of my life. I think the fact that your friend is so insistent on you liking his gf indicates that he has some insecurity about her - that he to some extent agrees with your reservations and feels that by changing your mind he'll somehow combat his own uneasiness.


We live in different cities now, so i can't really do anything to make him feel awkward or uncomfortable about her, nor would I. About the only thing that I do is try to avoid her as a topic of conversation, because I know my opinion, and I know he dislikes it, and it has created conflict between us in the past (an present, I suppose). The fact that I don't want to hear about her really bothers him, but I only do that because I know that he hates my opinion of her.

I suppose the most unsettling thing for me is that he is trying to boss me into liking her. He knows that I don't have a lot of friends at my uni, and he basically said "Well, you either like her, or you start looking for someone new to talk to."

Reply 17

Anonymous
We live in different cities now, so i can't really do anything to make him feel awkward or uncomfortable about her, nor would I. About the only thing that I do is try to avoid her as a topic of conversation, because I know my opinion, and I know he dislikes it, and it has created conflict between us in the past (an present, I suppose). The fact that I don't want to hear about her really bothers him, but I only do that because I know that he hates my opinion of her.

I suppose the most unsettling thing for me is that he is trying to boss me into liking her. He knows that I don't have a lot of friends at my uni, and he basically said "Well, you either like her, or you start looking for someone new to talk to."


It's ridiculous to try and force someone to like someone else - it's just not possible for you to be persuaded into liking her. If you don't like her then your friend will just have to accept that, and if he's threatening you because of it then he can't be a very good friend and may be not worth hanging on to anyway.

Reply 18

Hannah Carrot
I think you should meet up and try to sort things out. Maybe she's got a hold of herself now, and wants to make amends for not being quite a brilliant as she could have been before.

I do know what I'm talking about to a degree, one of my best friends hates my boyfriend of 3 years. It just came out of the blue suddenly, when she hardly even knows him. But she has also had a lot of problems and leant on me a lot during that time.

Maybe it just feels to them as though their pillar of strength is being taken away from them and that they're gonna fall over. I dunno, but whenever I asked my friend about it she avoided it too. Eventually I got her to say that she hated him, didn't know why but just did. I still don't know why.

In the end, you obviously love your fiance, and your friend will have to learn to be happy for you regardless as to her feelings about him. If she truly is your friend she'll do that much at least. But meet up anyway - you can never have too many friends, and the chance to get one back shouldn't be passed up.


Hi, thanks for the advice, it's good to know I'm not the only one who's up against this kind of hassle! I've texted her now saying hi and we should meet up, but I'm going to leave it up to her to make the arrangements because I was always the one chasing after her in the past. If she doesn't suggest a time and a place then that'll be that in my book.

Reply 19

Seoid
I suppose part of what I'm worried about is that I tend be a terrible sucker for friends - I forgive people far too easily and tend to let them walk all over me. I let her do it for far too long and I'm afraid we'll get back into that situation because I find it hard to stand up to her in particular. I'm really torn about this.


Ahh well noone's saying you have to be friends with her again, she doesnt sound like friend material with how she's treated you clearly! But in my opinion, if its something that happened a while ago, Id like to think Id still be able to be civil to them i.e. saying hello if I see them etc, rather than feeling any hatred towards them and being bitter about it - she could be a different person to how she was then, if she was having problems then she may have just been wrapped up in them and not realising how she was treating other people!
And to the person who neg repped me for this thread saying 'perfect example of a disgrace to the female population.'.... what the hell are you on?!
That is all :smile: