The Arrogance of Westerners regarding refugee crisis is shocking!!

Refugees wouldn't be in your country if your government hadn't destroyed their land and persecuted them for years.

I met Libyan refugee the other day. In his home country he had a very well paid job , a big mansion, a nice car, security etc and most important of all, people with the same culture. Until the Arab spring happened, Libya was a thriving oil rich country with free healthcare and education even free electricity -we don't even have that in Europe. Ofcourse, it's hard to believe but he was much happier and had a better life (including standard of living) in his own country and never once wanted to move to Europe since he had everything. But he has children to protect and look after, so due to safety of his children had no choice.

I know it's hard to believe for you arrogant westerners but 90% would rather live in their own countries if they were stable. For example, before the war I can hardly remember meeting a single Libyan in the UK because they didn't need to come here.

Perhaps one reason is the way you think you can talk about us?
And how exactly are we responsible for the Arab spring?

Refugees wouldn't be in your country if your government hadn't destroyed their land and persecuted them for years.

I met Libyan refugee the other day. In his home country he had a very well paid job , a big mansion, a nice car, security etc and most important of all, people with the same culture. Until the Arab spring happened, Libya was a thriving oil rich country with free healthcare and education even free electricity absolutely no bills-we don't even have that in Europe. Ofcourse, it's hard to believe but he was much happier and had a better quality of life (including standard of living) in his own country and never once wanted to move to Europe since he had everything. But he has children to protect and look after, so due to safety of his children had no choice.

I know it's hard to believe for you arrogant westerners but 90% would rather live in their own countries if they were stable. For example, before the war I can hardly remember meeting a single Libyan in the UK because they didn't need to come here.

Refugees wouldn't be in your country if your government hadn't destroyed their land and persecuted them for years.

Refugees wouldn't be in your country if your government hadn't destroyed their land and persecuted them for years.

Until the Arab spring happened,

The Libyan guy you met was part of a rich elite, of course he misses his old life. The majority of Libyan people were not nearly so lucky. You think life under Gaddafi was fun? Grow up.

Libya was a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. I do not believe implementing a no fly zone and letting a brutal dictatorship fall was a mistake, the alternative was genocide (you do realise Gaddafi was hell-bent on murdering the people of Benghazi, a city of 600,000+ people, right?). The mistake the 'West' (Britain, France and the US) made was pulling out too soon; they should have put boots on the ground and stayed until a functioning government was in place. But it isn't the West's fault that Libya is a failed state, the various different Libyan tribes and warlords need to take some responsibility, stop killing each other and start working together.

Is this not the clue? The Arab Spring was a spontaneous uprising and seeking of democracy by the people of these countries, including Libya. The only western intervention was to try and save lives. Much of what has happened has been against western interests.

Once they had control the revolutionaries installed either Islamic governments or incompetent democratic ones, or replaced competent autocrats with incompetent ones. It beggars belief.

Syria is exceptional in that the revolution is not yet compete and has been even more bloody.

The only lesson to be learned from all this for westerners in that predominantly Islamic countries have no clue how to manage a state, and should never be listened to when it comes to human rights or constitutional affairs.

Don't blame the west for this amazing tale of incompetence.

Actually gadaffi did a very good job of managing Libya. The Arab spring is something that the West pushed for.

The Arab spring is something that the West pushed for.

Gadaffi managed Libya through fear and terror but what the **** do you know!

I know it's hard to believe for you arrogant westerners but 90% would rather live in their own countries if they were stable. For example, before the war I can hardly remember meeting a single Libyan in the UK because they didn't need to come here.

The Arab spring is something that the West pushed for.

The Arab Spring was mobilised by tratorous NGOs who were funded by USAID and George Soros. Even if you did not do this you could still allowed Gadaffi to end the rebellion. But no you wanted a regime change, just like today in Syria.

Oh, you are one of those crazies.