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    If it is death then there doesn't seem to be anything which distinguishes the level of wrong between molesting a child and killing a child. The latter is obv worse.
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    (Original post by Dima-Blackburn)
    No. Death penalty for rape is unlikely to deter it. Instead, the rapists would then have an incentive to kill their victims as well.
    Could you explain why death penalty will give them an incentive as well?
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    (Original post by angelike1)
    If it is death then there doesn't seem to be anything which distinguishes the level of wrong between molesting a child and killing a child. The latter is obv worse.
    How do you think these crimes should be distinguished in terms of punishment?
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    Send them to Gulag. Work them to death.
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    (Original post by angelike1)
    If it is death then there doesn't seem to be anything which distinguishes the level of wrong between molesting a child and killing a child. The latter is obv worse.
    Do you also think there should be a different punishment for someone lets say who killed 50 people compared to someone who killed one person?
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    (Original post by A.K57)
    Could you explain why death penalty will give them a an incentive as well?
    The rape victim is often the only witness/source of evidence is many cases; moreover, since the punishment for rape and murder would be the same, there would be absolutely no reason for the rapists to spare their victims. In addition to not being a rational punishment from a deterrence perspective, it's also disproportionate. Rape is one of the most heinous crimes, but it's not murder.
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    (Original post by A.K57)
    How do you think these crimes should be distinguished in terms of punishment?
    Solitary confinement for the murderer. Prison for life for the rapist.

    (Original post by A.K57)
    Do you also think there should be a different punishment for someone lets say who killed 50 people compared to someone who killed one person?
    Yes. Though it isn't practically possible.
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    (Original post by Dima-Blackburn)
    The rape victim is often the only witness/source of evidence is many cases; moreover, since the punishment for rape and murder would be the same, there would be absolutely no reason for the rapists to spare their victims. In addition to not being a rational punishment from a deterrence perspective, it's also disproportionate.
    Do you think people who rape someone have actually accepted the fact that they might end up in prison for many years and at that moment they are actually thinking about the punishment. Not all people who rape are psychopaths or have a criminal record. Some of these will go on to rape others regardless of the punishment. If for example ordinary people who in perhaps frustration (bad example) decide to rape, such a horrifying punishment will at least deter these people.
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    (Original post by A.K57)
    Do you think people who rape someone have actually accepted the fact that they might end up in prison for many years and at that moment they are actually thinking about the punishment. Not all people who rape are psychopaths or have a criminal record. Some of these will go on to rape others regardless of the punishment. If for example ordinary people who in perhaps frustration (bad example) decide to rape, such a horrifying punishment will at least deter these people.
    Even if some of the rapes are what we call "crimes of passion", the rapist would certainly consider how to get away successfully after committing the rape. So yes, it would certainly Incentivise the rapist to get rid of evidence via murder.

    In general, horrifying/severe punishments are no more effective at deterrence than long-term prison sentences.
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    (Original post by Dima-Blackburn)
    Even if some of the rapes are what we call "crimes of passion", the rapist would certainly consider how to get away successfully after committing the rape. So yes, it would certainly Incentivise the rapist to get rid of evidence via murder.

    In general, horrifying/severe punishments are no more effective at deterrence than long-term prison sentences.
    Wouldn't the rapist consider how to get away anyway. Let's suppose it was life in prison instead for rape why would they not kill the victim to cover that evidence as life in prison is still quite a severe punishment. I feel the punishment should also be considered in what will allow the victim a greater satisfaction or help them to recover. Knowing your rapist is alive is a heavy burden to carry.

    The second part of your statement is arguable as studies have pointed to both ways.
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    Dick chopped off than they can't do it again if their men
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    (Original post by angelike1)
    Solitary confinement for the murderer. Prison for life for the rapist.



    Yes. Though it isn't practically possible.
    I think those punishments are much more justified than a timed sentence. Perhaps life in jail might be even worse than death penalty. But the problem is, in how many cases is the offender actually awarded such a long sentence. Plus there is then the aspect of financial burden of supporting one for life in jail, but that's sort of irrelevant to this.
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    (Original post by A.K57)
    I think those punishments are much more justified than a timed sentence. Perhaps life in jail might be even worse than death penalty. But the problem is, in how many cases is the offender actually awarded such a long sentence. Plus there is then the aspect of financial burden of supporting one for life in jail, but that's sort of irrelevant to this.
    Oh yeah. Would never let a rapist out.
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    (Original post by A.K57)
    Wouldn't the rapist consider how to get away anyway. Let's suppose it was life in prison instead for rape why would they not kill the victim to cover that evidence as life in prison is still quite a severe punishment
    It's severe, but it's not capital punishment. Prison sentences for rape and murder are not wholly equivalent either, whereas death would be the same.

    I feel the punishment should also be considered in what will allow the victim a greater satisfaction or help them to recover. Knowing your rapist is alive is a heavy burden to carry.
    For some victims, sure. It's not easy for rape victims, but justice doesn't work that way. And the satisfaction of a victim does not take precedence over right to life.

    The second part of your statement is arguable as studies have pointed to both ways.
    From what I've read, the literature is quite conclusive. The brutalisation effect, the lack of evidence for effective deterrence, the costs involved, and the greater understanding of criminology lead us a justice system which emphasises rehabilitation over retribution. We should be emulating the Norwegian system, not the American system.
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    (Original post by angelike1)
    If it is death then there doesn't seem to be anything which distinguishes the level of wrong between molesting a child and killing a child. The latter is obv worse.
    The death penalty is for things that trigger the biggest emotional response in people as far as i can tell.
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    As long as they haven't killed anyone then no one has the right to take their (disgusting, miserable and pathetic) life either unfortunately. Lifetime in prison I'd say
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    7 years for first offence, life in prison for repeated crimes, with the possibility to be freed if they accept to be castrated.
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    A lot of people are going to be disagreeing with this but i feel that murder is worse than rape and child crimes are the equivalent, so according to the uk 15 years to life imprisonment but just leave them to get along with the other prisoners.
 
 
 
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