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the truly terrifying thought of Dianne Abbot being at the head of MI5.
So Mr Bond in the light of Ms Moneypenny's allegations we are sending you on a course. Here is your sarong. Gareth and Julian are waiting for you downstairs.
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Asking posters on TSR to vote Labour is like preaching to the converted. Why do stupid people not understand this?!
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1) And what about the businesses that can't afford to pay people £10 an hour? Sounds like an amazing policy on paper but when more people are unemployed because the employer can't afford to pay them hows that a good thing?

2) This argument really really annoys me. Yeah lets just tax the rich more. That's a great idea. Someone on 80k already pays 21k in taxes each year. The majority of wealthy people have worked so hard to get to where they are and considering they already pay what is equivalent to some peoples ANNUAL salary in taxes I just can't see how its fair to slap even more on them when they're the ones already contributing the most? All that'll do is make them take their business elsewhere.

3) This might sound selfish but whatever. Okay scrapping tution fees. Great. Fabulous idea. So what happens to the millions of us with 50k worth of debt. I know life isn't fair but when it's just one generation that gets a crappy deal it's made me reconsider. The people before us got it free. The people after us get it free. But if you went to uni between 2012/2017 then NOPE sucks to be you doesn't it.

4) Why do people talk like these are some great big massive burden. At my local hospital it's £3 all day. Do you not want them to maintain the carparks? Cause as someone who actually drives it's really not fun driving on a thousand potholes.

11) 4 extra bank holidays. Do you have a job? Bank holidays (Most of the time) come out of your holiday allowance. So instead of getting an extra four days off you technically lose 4 days of holiday because you HAVE to take the bank holidays off?

12) Free school dinners- Bear in mind Teresa May wants to give free school breakfasts instead (Breakfast being the most important meal of the day) and scrap dinners instead.

I don't want to comment on the rest of your points because I either don't know enough about them to have an informed opinion or i'm not sure of what the effect of them would be (For example the rail one aren't like Merseyrail, virgin, southern ect all separate companies? If so who would be running the rail network?)...
1) This is an argument that goes back centuries - businesses criticised the banning of slavery, the introduction of unions, maternity pay, the introduction of the minimum wage and the rise in MW - but what is the point of a minimum wage being low if the majority of families below the poverty line are in work.

2) I doubt that, the best type of wealth taxes are indeed on inherited wealth and on land, but I reject the notion that they "worked hard" for it. I'd also rather us not become a Monaco style haven, at a time of Brexit we should be encouraging local community co-operatives, rather than selling out to big multinationals, that's why our tax take is low. I think the Laffer curve is higher up than you as well.

3) Yeah, this is selfish. I'm in the same bracket but we're the ****ed generation anyway. I'd rather us try and actually improve the UK for the future, and encouraging university attendance (Germany) should be seen as it is, an investment

4) It highlights how families, who have relatives stuck in hospital, can afford to actually visit them frequently.

5) Again, how can you criticise free school meals but support the Tory free breakfasts, allocated funding is about 7p per child.

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I think I'll just avoid the voting then... I have no idea which party is more trustworthy...
Perhaps do your own research and don't go by what other people say. Don't mean that to come across rude but thats what i did recently.
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Corbyn is a terrible leader.

No Theresa May is better. Uses terrorist attacks to make herself look good. Also the conservative party have done nothing but **** on this country since they gained power.
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nobody cares about wales

the welsh are the forgotten

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#SHEEPSHAGGERS

Just wanted to say this was the first amusing use of the spoiler I've ever seen on the forum.
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Nationalisation of Energy, royal mail, Railways,Banks.This is pretty much the nationalisation of every major service.

Increasing the minimum wage while decreasing and capping high paid jobs is communism.The core theory to it is it aims to basically make sure everyone is on the same wage no matter what job they do.....again communism.You may or may not know the economic implications of policies like this that wipe out motivation and any dive from workers to do well and get a well paid job.The repercussions are not good to say the least.........

Conservatives.......right wing hahah that is a very isolated and misguided view.(I am not a supporter of conservatives either FTR)

And like ive said Labour has been supported and backed by communist groups and the main communist party are not fielding candidates because they believe in Labours policies and views.On top of this Jeremy has not once condemned that,he has also shown his admiration for communists.What does all this tell you....

Fundamentally these are the facts and are communist policies that cant be debated.
This is not communism.... Jeremy just wants equality. The owners of Barclays are worth more than £21 Billion, they haven't paid any corporation tax in years, due to conservatives being in power.... there are sooo many other examples of how large businesses (rich) and conservatives are benefiting each other. Also saying labour wants everyone to earn the same amount is so stupid.. like i just said, conservatives is benefitting the rich- by them paying low tax, http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10353982.html . heres an article with data explaining that the poor is actually paying more tax than the rich. EQUALITY.
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Saw someone comment this on FB and thought it was worth sharing:

LABOUR MANIFESTO POLICIES (Inc. COSTS). [UPDATED]

It's YOUR RIGHT to vote! People DIED for it! So REGISTER to VOTE, so you can have the RIGHT to ALL this!

1.) £10 minimum wage.
2.) No increase in N.I. or Income Tax if earning less than £80k a year (those earning slightly above receiving a modest increase - 5% of the working populace).
3.) Scrapping tuition fees.
4.) Scrapping NHS car parking charges.
5.) Bringing the NHS back into public ownership.
6.) Reversing cuts to Corporation/Capital Gains Tax, which will recoup billions, basically by getting Amazon/Google/Media/Press Organizations/McD's etc to pay a bit extra tax (small businesses are protected through the N.I.B. - see No. 7 below).
7.) Creation of National Investment Bank (N.I.B.) to allow revenues to return to the economy.
8.) Nationalised Rail Network.
9.) Nationalised Energy Company using renewables as source.
10.) Increase funding for the conventional Armed Forces, and keeping Trident.
11.) 4 extra public Bank Holidays.
12.) Free school meals for all primary school kids - funded by slightly raised taxes from private schools.
13.) Protecting the triple-lock pensions.
14.) Renationalisation of the Royal Mail, and creation of Post Bank.
15.) Reversal of cuts to the disabled.
16.) Scrapping the Bedroom Tax.
17.) Scrapping Benefits Sanctions.
18.) Creation of a National Education Service - including access to Further and Higher Education, free at the point of use for all.
19.) Creation of a Tourism Dept. responsible for promoting and increasing growth in a lucrative industry that increases revenue.
20.) Tackling illegal and aggressive tax evasion/avoidance, fines to businesses using unethical practices or trading with unethical states, and prompter payments of fines to small businesses by the bigger ones.

COSTS:

The total cost to implement will be roughly £80/90bn. Just to put that into perspective, the Tories have spent over £700bn. so far, and our national debt is now in the trillions. So if we can afford the past 7 years of them BORROWING ALL THAT AND FAILING ALL OF THEIR COMMITMENTS, then I reckon this is really pretty easy to afford if you ask me. And I'd be saying the same even if I was earning just over £80k! Truly!

Why?

Because I'm getting education and an improved workforce.
Because I'm getting better roads.
Because I'm getting better transport.
Because I'm getting a better health service.
Because I'm getting better investment opportunities.
Because I'm getting cleaner energy.
Because I'm getting extra Police on the streets to keep me safe.
Because my future kids will get free hot school meals.
Because I'll get FOUR EXTRA public Bank Holidays!
Because I know Pensions will be protected.
Because I know our National Security will be safer.
Because I know I won't have to worry about hospital parking charges if I ever have a partner giving birth.

But then again, it's also because I'm not an un-empathetic, self-centered, greedy individual - I want these things for everyone else too!

Am I wrong about you Tory voters who might be reading this?

If so, then why would you NOT vote for this? Why would you instead vote for a political party guilty of fraud and currently under several investigations by the U.N. for violations against disabled people? A party who kicked off this election and with no manifesto in sight? A party who blamed the E.U. for 'interfering with the election', even though the election didn't need to be called in the first place? An election they said they WOULDN'T call 'til 2020? A political party that thinks THEIR NEW POLICIES WILL BE ATTRACTIVE TO VOTERS? Policies like these for instance??

TORY POLICIES (Inc. COSTS): [UPDATED]

1.) Scrap free school meals for infants.
2.) End Universal Winter Fuel Payments.
3.) End triple lock promise to pensioners.
4.) End promise not to raise VAT.
5.) End promise not to raise Income Tax.
6.) End promise not to raise National Insurance.
7.) Open up more grammar schools.
8.) Hold a vote on legalising fox-hunting.
9.) Continue with Rape Form for Benefits.
10.) Lift ban on Elephant Ivory.
11.) Introduce a cap on energy prices, which the Tories say is a great idea or a joke, depending on what year it is...

Plus their ongoing policies to...

1.) Turn the NHS completely into a private enterprise.
2.) Further austerity measures to make the incredibly wealthy incredibly wealthier.
3.) Great Repeal Bill.
4.) Snoopers Charter.
5.) Further bombs destroying people in Afghanistan/Iraq/Syria/Yemen courtesy of our Saudi Warlords.
6.) Commit fraud against 27 countries of the E.U., leaving us with nobody on the planet wanting to trade with us afterwards (Hard Brexit).

COSTS

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CONCLUSION

I'd love to know. I mean, seriously? Which of those Tory policies above would you actually find MORE ATTRACTIVE than the FULL-MONTY FROM LABOUR??

You know I make sense.

Why vote Tory?

Vote Labour and actually IMPROVE OUR country and OUR economy!
For the many, not the few! X
Where do you think is the country is going to get all this money, to give people free parking and free school meals? etc. The country is allready in debt, and you think that if the government just give out free stuff, it will make things better? No. The way things are going we need to fund our troops fighting agaisnt bad militia groups and terrorists (isis), we need to reduce the amount of money we give to lazy ****s on benefits (i understand there is disability benefits, but that is a differnt situation), and **** your four bank holidays, our grades are dropping even more over the years, so you think having 4 days off will help? LOL
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You need to do your research little girl. Since when has the TORIES ever made a racsist statement!? How old are you? You're clearly not old enough, if you're making false statements about political parties. Ofcourse i would appologise if they ever have realeased a racsist statement, but until then, do some actual research and stop listetning to Labour scum. Also, i believe that 96% of the TORIES are probably earning more money then you ever will, so please dont say they are not upper class. (if you even know what that means).

(Original post by tbeyan)
I'm black and I would never, ever vote Tory simply because it's a racist party. It's a shame people wouldn't do the same simply because they're not of colour, but like you said, this world is full of selfishness and people would only care if it effects them.
And I think people vote Tory because 1. they agree with racism. and 2. They're rich. or 3. They want to think they're in that upper class status when they're not. They are instead on a 30k salary taking a DLR to canary wharf at 6am.
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Labour strategy:

Lets think of a list of things that most people want to change in this country. Who cares if they are unattainable, by the time people realise that we'll already be in power.

At least with the Tories you know you're being screwed over. They don't even try to hide it!
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Looking at the costs of that post...

Labour's immense spending would increase deficit massively, so even more borrowing would be needed and national debt would sky rocket

The conservatives have, since taking government just after the 2009 financial crisis, decreased the deficit almost every year (even if they've done it slowly)

Saying a Labour government in 2017 would achieve so much with such little expenses as shown in the OP is just wrong
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Labour strategy:

Lets think of a list of things that most people want to change in this country. Who cares if they are unattainable, by the time people realise that we'll already be in power.

At least with the Tories you know you're being screwed over. They don't even try to hide it!
I'd rather have half the things labour is offering compared to being completely being screwed over with a Tory government that want to invade your privacy, privatise education and the NHS and triple uni fees!
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I'd rather have half the things labour is offering compared to being completely being screwed over with a Tory government that want to invade your privacy, privatise education and the NHS and triple uni fees!
The only things on offer are Promises and Lies. Every government breaks their election promises.
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I won't be voting labour because I have zero plans to be paying for half of the crap they say that they're going to implement. Free university fees to students etc?

Sounds like taxes I'm not looking forward to be paying off in 10 years.

Thanks but, no thanks.
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The only things on offer are Promises and Lies. Every government breaks their election promises.
Sure Labour obviously aren't gonna follow through with everything they are offering but they aren't planning to make situations worse than they are with things like the NHS, tuition fees, education etc.
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This is not communism.... Jeremy just wants equality. The owners of Barclays are worth more than £21 Billion, they haven't paid any corporation tax in years, due to conservatives being in power.... there are sooo many other examples of how large businesses (rich) and conservatives are benefiting each other. Also saying labour wants everyone to earn the same amount is so stupid.. like i just said, conservatives is benefitting the rich- by them paying low tax, http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10353982.html . heres an article with data explaining that the poor is actually paying more tax than the rich. EQUALITY.
So a potential strategy would be to crack down on legal tax evasion.The solution is not to implement communist policies.

A generalised statement claiming that the poor actually pay more than the rich is absurd.

I still struggle to find how people can moan and complain about how "rich"people don't pay enough tax. A wage of £80,000 will already be taxed over £21,000.I mean seriously how much do you actually want to tax someone.It discourages any sort of motivation people may have in life to go out and work hard in life to get a really good salary only for large amounts of it to get taken right back.And then those that pay minimal tax have the Gaul to moan that that the "rich" do not pay enough.

There is Equality and then theirs Jeremy Corbyn. Punishing those who have worked hard all their life and managed to get a really well paid job and rewarding and increasing the wages of those who cant be ar*ed in minimal skilled jobs.(Granted not everyone in minimal skilled jobs cant be ar*ed)
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(Original post by Max12121)
So a potential strategy would be to crack down on legal tax evasion.The solution is not to implement communist policies.

A generalised statement claiming that the poor actually pay more than the rich is absurd.

I still struggle to find how people can moan and complain about how "rich"people don't pay enough tax. A wage of £80,000 will already be taxed over £21,000.I mean seriously how much do you actually want to tax someone.It discourages any sort of motivation people may have in life to go out and work hard in life to get a really good salary only for large amounts of it to get taken right back.And then those that pay minimal tax have the Gaul to moan that that the "rich" do not pay enough.

There is Equality and then theirs Jeremy Corbyn. Punishing those who have worked hard all their life and managed to get a really well paid job and rewarding and increasing the wages of those who cant be ar*ed in minimal skilled jobs.(Granted not everyone in minimal skilled jobs cant be ar*ed)
If you want to earn the big bucks you wouldn't be working in the UK for a start...
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i will not vote labour because they represent and/or strongly support things which i am against especially feminism and far leftism. They will also not increase my opportunity to find a job and they also do not promote traditional values.
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If you want to earn the big bucks you wouldn't be working in the UK for a start...
Well i fear if Labour god forbid got into power then anyone who wanted to make a good income would be quick to leave the UK.Which obviously is a bad thing
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Conservatives are too harsh on the poor.

Labour wants to give everything to the poor.

Therefore I'm tied.

I'm only 17 anyway so I can't f*cking vote.
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