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Original post by Solocle
For a start the university thing is completely BOGUS. If you're not bright enough to realize that means-tested maintenance loans allow anybody to go to university, then you really shouldn't be going to university. Scrapping tuition fees saves money for one group. The high earners. If you don't earn over the threshold, you don't pay a PENNY. Frankly, I rather that situation than sponging off the state, and costing services like the NHS. As for the Middle East, hatred of the West is already a thing, and it has been for decades. 9/11 occurred before any Western invasion. Rights or wrongs of Iraq and Afghanistan, if we don't intervene ISIS are not going to say "hey, the West are actually stand up guys". They and their ideology need wiping from the face of this planet. How to do that is the question. You may note that actually the Conservatives have done a lot to crack down on tax avoidance (NOTE: EVASION is ILLEGAL, avoidance is not). Raising tax rates encourages off-shore accounts or moving elsewhere. It's not as cut-and-dry as high tax=high revenue.
While there are problems with the current government's policies, Corbyn would lead this country into catastrophe.


Well said! The 'Middle east involvement' argument may explain why these lunatics do what they do, but it definitely doesn't ever offer any solution. We have two options, go for a Conservative government whose at least shown some intent in solving this terror crisis, or the Labour government, whose leader and potential home secretary denied that Al Quaeda were even a terrorist group, and have struggled to even condemn the acts of the IRA (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/21/shock-poll-shows-jeremy-corbyn-narrowing-gap-theresa-may-tories/). If you care about the war on terror, vote conservative.
Reply 61
I thin its enough said that tories are generally not brave enough to support their party/leader online.
Look at top comments on Jeremy corbyn's posts, then look on Theresa Mays
Original post by Lay-Z
I thin its enough said that tories are generally not brave enough to support their party/leader online.
Look at top comments on Jeremy corbyn's posts, then look on Theresa Mays


Being an open Tory is not really socially acceptable, i have seen people declare after 2015 and immediately be attacked for it because a lot of the political left simply don't understand the Tory mindset and are pretty narrow minded.

Indeed i recently found out a friend had voted for Brexit, but he said it in hush tones and only after i revealed that i had.

All those people currently saying they don't know ect.. - they are bluer than your mothers knickers.

For some reason (according polling and anecdotally) it seems that young women especially are extremely pro Labour. I can only assume they have fallen victim to identity politics.
I'm not going to vote.

After years of trying to understand political discourse, years of becoming comfortable with my positions on most issues I no longer give a toss, I just don't care.

No doubt plenty of people will attempt to shout me down using age old arguments about the various motives of various dead people, or the importance of alleged change... you aren't changing my mind, I informed myself and now I care even less than when I started.
Good god, this poll is certainly something…
Original post by mojojojo101
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I'm really sorry to hear you're disillusioned with politics at the moment. I respect your choice, so I will not convince you otherwise as you have requested. However, may I ask that you go to the polling station and at least spoil your ballot?
Reply 66
Original post by Jake_Scott
Will be voting conservative. The thought of that terrorist loving cretin Corbyn wielding any power is terrifying, he'd have this country on its knees within a matter of seconds. His plans to nationalise every aspect of life belong in the 70s, as does he. When he gives the unions all the power we'll be sat in candlelight and nothing will be accomplished due to endless striking. A vile socialist who should be nowhere near Downing Street.


Aye, just like May cuddling up to the War mongering **** gibbons that are the Saudis? It's not like anyone else in the conservative party made talks with the IRA regarding peace... I have no doubt you're a brave 'lad' who isnt afraid to share britain first posts, reads the daily mail and loves the rugby.
Reply 67
Original post by EdBuck
Aye, just like May cuddling up to the War mongering **** gibbons that are the Saudis? It's not like anyone else in the conservative party made talks with the IRA regarding peace... I have no doubt you're a brave 'lad' who isnt afraid to share britain first posts, reads the daily mail and loves the rugby.

So anybody who is vehemently conservative is automatically racist? I don't approve of his language, but suggesting a Britain first connection is completely unfounded. As much as I don't like the Saudis, the fact is that they wield a huge amount of Soft Power. It's not like the Iranian backed rebels are any better... Iran is as much a theocracy. As for the IRA, it's one thing meeting them. It's another to share a platform. Oh, and what the **** is the rugby thing? ****ging off a perfectly respectable sport, if not one I follow.
Original post by Paracosm
I'm really sorry to hear you're disillusioned with politics at the moment. I respect your choice, so I will not convince you otherwise as you have requested. However, may I ask that you go to the polling station and at least spoil your ballot?


Spoilt ballots achieve nothing.

I will spend the day doing something useful or at least enjoyable to me.
It's a shame the poll is private, I'd like to know who else has changed their mind since the first poll.
Original post by Jimbo1234
Pahaha, what a joke.
How is May a threat when Corbyn cozies up to terrorists, too scared to push the button, and wants to nationalise services which is known to not work!

Do none of you talk to your parents and ask them how the 70's were with the Unions destroying jobs and nationalisation crippling the country?


If nationalisation is so bad can you explain why our railways are being run by the national railways of other countries?

You have been easily manipulated by right wing politicians, who deliberately run national services in a terrible way to convince the public privatisation is the way.
The NHS was running very well with surpluses in pretty much every region before the Conservatives started and ruined it producing deficits in every region.
Reply 71
I'm voting for mick Watson the local Indy
Original post by Snufkin
It's a shame the poll is private, I'd like to know who else has changed their mind since the first poll.


Probably no one.
Original post by Dalek1099
If nationalisation is so bad can you explain why our railways are being run by the national railways of other countries?

You have been easily manipulated by right wing politicians, who deliberately run national services in a terrible way to convince the public privatisation is the way.
The NHS was running very well with surpluses in pretty much every region before the Conservatives started and ruined it producing deficits in every region.


The NHS was running surplus because Labour was throwing 9% increases at it. That's absurdly unsustainable without spending cuts or tax rises consistently.
I might have changed my hairstyle for today but I am not changing my vote....
Original post by Dalek1099
If nationalisation is so bad can you explain why our railways are being run by the national railways of other countries?

You have been easily manipulated by right wing politicians, who deliberately run national services in a terrible way to convince the public privatisation is the way.
The NHS was running very well with surpluses in pretty much every region before the Conservatives started and ruined it producing deficits in every region.


Do you not remember or ever talked to anyone about when it was nationalised?!

So if nationalisation was so good, why did they privatise it? :rolleyes:

But to answer you directly, it is because of our civil service and its structure is dire. It hasn't changed since the 60's so we would have the same issues as back then.



And your point about the NHS is a lie. It wasn't running a profit under Labour.
Labour borrowed money and hid the costs. WHy do you think the first finance minister in the Coalition in 2011 walked out of the job after a few days? Because Labour has hidden everything under a mountain of debt.

Oh, and the NHS trust by me loses $15 million a MONTH. It was set up under Labour......but apparently the Tories are to blame :rofl:
Original post by Rakas21
Being an open Tory is not really socially acceptable, i have seen people declare after 2015 and immediately be attacked for it because a lot of the political left simply don't understand the Tory mindset and are pretty narrow minded.

Indeed i recently found out a friend had voted for Brexit, but he said it in hush tones and only after i revealed that i had.

All those people currently saying they don't know ect.. - they are bluer than your mothers knickers.

For some reason (according polling and anecdotally) it seems that young women especially are extremely pro Labour. I can only assume they have fallen victim to identity politics.

Neither is being a Corbyn supporter. This election will see the rise of the shy Corbynista...
I'm voting greens or labour, leaning slightly more towards the greens though
I'll be voting Lib Dem as my university constituency is a marginal seat between the Conservatives and Lib Dems, although I sincerely hope Jeremy Corbyn is elected PM.

People love to make the argument that Labour would wreck our economy whilst the Torys would be economically sensible. To anyone who thinks this, I ask you to read through the Green Paper published in January 2017. Most of the '10 pillars' proposed are absolute nonsense that will NOT benefit our economy (I've studied the paper in detail as part of my degree). Labour's manifesto is costed, and they understand how to correctly invest in our economy to allow for future growth.

Theresa May loves to parrot the 'strong and stable' line. Is refusing to have a live TV debate 'strong and stable'? Is pulling a massive U-turn on social care 'strong and stable'? She is a weak leader, as she has already proved with the way she's dealing with Juncker and Brexit. She is completely out of her depth and needs to be replaced.

If you want the Torys out of power, please take a look at this BBC link http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39946901, scroll down to the bottom of the page and find out which party has the best chance of taking the seat away from the Torys (or alternatively, keeping it away from the Torys).
Original post by Jimbo1234
So ask yourself why it has gone like that :rolleyes:

- Labour improved the NHS with money they didn't have. That is why it has been cut back.........or do you think we should ignore the deficit and just continue to borrow like Blair?

- More people thanks to Labours immigration policy. If you reversed that there would be millions less people in the country and all services would not be so strained.

You Labour supports lack any analytical ability or understanding as to WHY things have failed and think "more money" will fix it......yet none of you even explain where this money will come from :rofl:

NB. Also I think anyone stupid enough to put Diane Abbott in a position of power is reckless and dangerous.

Zero contract hours will be outright banned so many contractors would be screwed, along with every Uber driver.

To make it clear, Labour weren't irresponsibly spending money when in government for the most part, in fact in 2007 Tory's backed their spending plans. What went wrong for Labour was the 2008 crash which the Tory's pinned on Labour, the fact of the matter is though, it was unavoidable and they supported Labour's spending in the year previous. They had the money before, they didn't after the crash.

It's also worth pointing out, services aren't strained because of immigrants, they are strained because of under investment. Immigrants happen to bring a lot more to the economy than what they take out, they bring vital skills that we can't be without. The impact they have on the NHS is minimal.

Labour's plan is all about investing in the economy. Investment generally results in growth, it's a perfectly sound plan. They have been very clear over where the money is coming from, they have a fully costed manifesto. An independent company (I can't remember which) said they may have overestimated some income and come about £9bn short, but that still leaves their manifesto 80% costed.

The Conservatives, on the other hand, have a 0% costed manifesto, have failed to eliminate the deficit by 2015 and now have pushed that date back to 2025 and haven't pointed to a single source of income for any of their policies. To add to that they've suggested tax cuts for the richest in the UK (again uncosted), and are cutting money from vital services. That's not responsible, that's just cruel and inhumane.

Finally, on your point about Uber drivers, Uber aren't gonna just leave the UK because there aren't zero hours contract, they'd just be forced to come up with a fairer model of employment.
Original post by Solocle
OK, I'm from a traditionally Labour family of Northern origin (now living in a safe Southern CON seat). And we're all going to vote CON.
My first election was the locals at the beginning of this month. I never thought that it would be a cross next to the tree.

So why?
Firstly, I used to be a Lib Dem fan (childish reasoning, I basically just wanted to be different to my parents). Coalition kind of killed that. But what annoys me about them today? They want a second referendum of Brexit. While the way the say it is that they're "giving you a vote on the final deal", I think we can all agree that not everybody who voted for Brexit will be satisfied. That's the nature of a deal. However, the Lib Dems would take that as a mandate to remain in the EU, instead of renegotiating (which, to be fair, is somewhat unrealistic). So, while not being upfront about things, they want to overturn the result of the EU referendum. Hardly the most Democratic thing... However you voted, however you feel, I believe firmly that the expressed will of the people needs upholding.

Now, Labour. Natural family lines. Also, I'm off to university next year. So some obvious benefits personally. But, as others have mentioned, Corbyn has a horrific record on terrorists. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/30/labour-grandee-criticises-jeremy-corbyn-for-voting-against-al-qa/
This is the same man who invited Raed Salah to parliament and called him an "honoured citizen". A man who (before Corbyn said this) accused Jews of making bread with human blood. A man who calls genocidal terrorists "friends".
I could never bring myself to vote for him based on this. As for tuition fees, the system works like a tax. I don't have a problem with that. And we haven't even covered Dianne Abbot's mathematical madness...

EDIT:
3 notable figures in the current labour party voted against the Al Qaeda designation:
Jeremy Corbyn, Dianne Abbot and John McDonnell.


Did you bother to read all the article you posted? I can assure you, a man who aims for peace isn't in ANY way supporting terrorism. The article you posted had a response from John McDonnell's spokesperson saying "he voted against the measure because it meant another group, the Sikh Youth Federation, was proscribed.". There was no chance to amend this and it was passed without this even being considered - clearly that is wrong. The government's own review even agreed.

If that's seriously what is stopping you from voting Labour you need to stop reading all the stuff that comes out of the right-wing press. Read their manifesto, that's what they actually want to do with the country, they certainly don't want to support terrorist organizations.

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