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Subhanallah.
I'm pleased to read these posts- you've all given good advice ma'sha'Allah.
May Allah preserve your deen. Ameen.
Frankly, I do not believe this is a place to be asking such questions...This forum is filled with Non-Muslims who know little to nothing about Islam and Ex-Muslims who will just put seeds of doubts and attack those who lack knowledge.
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امين يا رب العالمين

Frankly, I do not believe this is a place to be asking such questions relating to the deen...This forum is filled with Non-Muslims who know little to nothing about Islam and Ex-Muslims who will just put seeds of doubts and attack those who lack knowledge.
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That is utterly true. I am always afraid for those brothers and sisters that make these posts and threads because this is the last place anyone should come for Islamic advice especially for those weak in their deen.
I don't understand why people won't go to their imams or their alims/alimahs. :/
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Sacrificing your morals to fit in and not look “weird” by non believers is really not it. You may think it’s harmless but you shouldn’t be in that environment anyways? I don’t know what sitting in a beer garden while your counterparts consume alcohol and pig has to do with terrorist attacks, But honestly do you. Muslims, you don’t have to do this. If your colleagues respected you as you did them- they would have picked a more appropriate place to eat so everyone is comfortable.

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I went to a pub with my work colleagues for lunch yesterday since it was pay day, dress down day and nice weather. We sat in a 'beer garden' with the sun blazing on us and it was a new experience being there. It was a good opportunity for them to get to know me better and share more about myself personally since I haven't been working at my job long.

We had lunch and they drank and I didn't. I think it's important to show that I have no issue sitting with them while they eat ham and drink beer, and being in their comfort zone and away from mine. I felt welcome being with them and being the only asian person there, people treated me no different and were friendly.

I guess this just showed me that what you read on the internet can be so toxic on forums like this, especially in heightened times when there are terrorist attacks that cause destruction and division, it can make you paranoid that the world hates you, but in reality you encounter so many kind souls.

At times like this it's important to strengthen your personal and working relationships
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It's quite sad to see our fellow Muslims falling for such traps and compromising on the deen. If you are friends with Non-Muslims or have colleagues who are non-Muslim make an effort to raise awareness to that aspect of your belief. Kindly decline the invitation and offer alternatives that would be suitable.

Do take into account your choices/action have an effect on the rest of the Ummah...If some Muslims make this a habit of compromising their beliefs then it sets the wrong image when us who are practicing decline as they will go "Oh but I have Muslim friends who come out for drinks with us"...Stick by your beliefs.
There is no trap.
Merely people who are willing to accept the friendship and invitations to socialise after work from coworkers of other religions or none at all.

We live in very unstable and troubled times.
There are so many racists, separatists and other toxic troublemakers who seek to create divisions between the people in almost every country.
Hatred, suspicion and distrust don't suddenly appear from nowhere.
They are created by vicious bigots who want to infest the world with their own hate, venomous propaganda and separatism.
To divide and create hostility between the various communities of "the other".
The ultimate purpose is to crush all support for the very ideas central to a peaceful and multicultural society.
History shows us how dark that path is and where it leads to.
To barbaric chaos on the streets, needless enmity between reasonable people, torture, genocide and utter destruction.
The dark ages, Ireland for centuries, Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia, India for decades pre & post partition.

This is why it is so crucial for every single person who rejects their evil vision of separatism and hatred to show their opposition.
By standing together with all fellow reasonable people of other backgrounds without pre-conditions, by being receptive to the hand of friendship from members of other faiths and by accepting invitations to socialise together & celebrate all the very best of humanity.
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QE2 Please restore some sanity to this thread, so many horrid isoc cranks spewing venom trying to derail. Thx
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Word.
That is utterly true. I am always afraid for those brothers and sisters that make these posts and threads because this is the last place anyone should come for Islamic advice especially for those weak in their deen.
I don't understand why people won't go to their imams or their alims/alimahs. :/
I'm afraid for people who make posts asking for advice and are encouraged by zealous ISOCers to never speak to non-Muslims and keep to themselves and only to their own kind.
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I wouldn't do it , to be honest.
Most important relation is your relation with Allah and you may end sacrificing this relationship , if you are being pressurised to go to a pub and you go , you may get pressurised into doing worse stuff like drinking alcohol etc.
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I went to a pub with my work colleagues for lunch yesterday since it was pay day, dress down day and nice weather. We sat in a 'beer garden' with the sun blazing on us and it was a new experience being there. It was a good opportunity for them to get to know me better and share more about myself personally since I haven't been working at my job long.

We had lunch and they drank and I didn't. I think it's important to show that I have no issue sitting with them while they eat ham and drink beer, and being in their comfort zone and away from mine. I felt welcome being with them and being the only asian person there, people treated me no different and were friendly.

I guess this just showed me that what you read on the internet can be so toxic on forums like this, especially in heightened times when there are terrorist attacks that cause destruction and division, it can make you paranoid that the world hates you, but in reality you encounter so many kind souls.

At times like this it's important to strengthen your personal and working relationships
Totally agreeable! Blend with all intoxicate with none!
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There is no trap.
Merely people who are willing to accept the friendship and invitations to socialise after work from coworkers of other religions or none at all.

We live in very unstable and troubled times.
There are so many racists, separatists and other toxic troublemakers who seek to create divisions between the people in almost every country.
Hatred, suspicion and distrust don't suddenly appear from nowhere.
They are created by vicious bigots who want to infest the world with their own hate, venomous propaganda and separatism.
To divide and create hostility between the various communities of "the other".
The ultimate purpose is to crush all support for the very ideas central to a peaceful and multicultural society.
History shows us how dark that path is and where it leads to.
To barbaric chaos on the streets, needless enmity between reasonable people, torture, genocide and utter destruction.
The dark ages, Ireland for centuries, Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia, India for decades pre & post partition.

This is why it is so crucial for every single person who rejects their evil vision of separatism and hatred to show their opposition.
By standing together with all fellow reasonable people of other backgrounds without pre-conditions, by being receptive to the hand of friendship from members of other faiths and by accepting invitations to socialise together & celebrate all the very best of humanity.
Going to the pub hugely increases her chances of consuming alcohol, which is a huge sin in Islam. If her classmates cared one bit about her, they wouldn’t chose a pub, of all places, to meet up. Alcohol is an intoxicant and makes the human being, the most intelligent creature on the planet, behave worse than animals. There is no hate or trouble making, this is the fact.
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I'm afraid for people who make posts asking for advice and are encouraged by zealous ISOCers to never speak to non-Muslims and keep to themselves and only to their own kind.
Speaking to non-Muslims is not a problem. In fact the Quran, it says Christians are the closest friends to Muslims. But that does not mean going to the pub because she will have an increased chance of actually consuming the substance which causes humans to lose their brain and is severely forbidden in the religion of Islam. Name:  DDCF3AB7-62E6-4A7C-B626-67CFA971ACD9.jpg.jpeg
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Going to the pub hugely increases her chances of consuming alcohol, which is a huge sin in Islam. If her classmates cared one bit about her, they wouldn’t chose a pub, of all places, to meet up. Alcohol is an intoxicant and makes the human being, the most intelligent creature on the planet, behave worse than animals. There is no hate or trouble making, this is the fact.
I disagree with you.
You are mistaken if you believe that everyone who goes to the pub wants to drink alcohol or decides to consume it.
You could say the same for supermarkets, corner shops and hotel restaurants.
I bet you have been to the supermarket, never touched any pork meat and never wanted to buy any.
Am I right?

My friend is a strict mormon, his religion forbids the consumption of alcohol and all hot drinks but herbal tea.
He chose his religion, is committed to his religious beliefs and obeys the drink rules.
He has been coming with friends to pubs and cafes ever since he was a teenager- he is 34 year old.
He has never drunk any alcohol, coffee, tea or anything else.
He eats the food and drinks carrot juice.
Because that is his choice.
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I'm pleased to read these posts- you've all given good advice
May Allah preserve your deen.

I saw a muslim woman in a burka last week on saturday, she was with a bunch of white women and the white women were all dressed up like they were gonna go pub

I actually wanted to follow them and see ..but they got in a big van like vehicle that looked like it has been hired.
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My friend is a strict mormon,

Why do they always target me and try to convert me?
please ask him what sorts of people him and his friends prefer to target.

I've developed a sixth sense for detecting them. They often move in a certain way, and seem to be dressed smartly. but there's something perculiar about the way they move that seperates them from other people dressed smartly.

I saw some whilst i was sitting down and was suspicious immediately. then i saw them start speaking to people. then i saw one of them had a bible so KNEW for sure they were mormons. i got up and quickly walked in the other direction. 2 seconds later one of them approaches me from the side!

He must of actually ran me down to get to me that quick because he was a talking with someone else a bit away when i started walking away from him. this was a busy shopping centre. he could have picked anyone but he zero's in on me and catches up with me. i've always had problems with religious people making bee lines for me. it's annoying.

black religious people are the worst for this i find.

A muslim has never tried to convert me though. I wonder why?
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I saw a muslim woman in a burka last week on saturday, she was with a bunch of white women and the white women were all dressed up like they were gonna go pub

I actually wanted to follow them and see ..but they got in a big van like vehicle that looked like it has been hired.
You do know that Muslims can be white? I know a few white Muslim women that wear the burka. They could have easily been her sisters.

How can you guess from the way these other women are dressed that they're going to the pub? Fair enough, if it's an evening and they're wearing dresses and such it could be but it also could be for an event?

Okay.. wanting to follow a bunch of ladies is not normal.

And a van? Maybe because there is so many of them and they've got to get from A to B.

Like I don't get the point you're trying to make but I wouldn't jump straight to conclusions.
That's so vague that it could literally be anything.
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A muslim has never tried to convert me though. I wonder why?
Because you're not supposed to stand around shopping centres looking for people to leap on.
It's not even the right approach for starters.
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You do know that Muslims can be white? I know a few white Muslim women that wear the burka. They could have easily been her sisters.

How can you guess from the way these other women are dressed that they're going to the pub? Fair enough, if it's an evening and they're wearing dresses and such it could be but it also could be for an event?

Okay.. wanting to follow a bunch of ladies is not normal.

And a van? Maybe because there is so many of them and they've got to get from A to B.

Like I don't get the point you're trying to make but I wouldn't jump straight to conclusions.
That's so vague that it could literally be anything.
Those white women definately were not dressed like muslims..

It looked like they were dressed for a night out imo, but i suppose it could have been an event..
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Because you're not supposed to stand around shopping centres looking for people to leap on.
It's not even the right approach for starters.
I was wondering if they were not bothering me because I don't look muslim, and they were going for south asian people [yes i know muslims can be any race, but lets face it, it's mostly asians]

It's annoying when people recruit like that, I agree it's not the right approach. although i have seen it work a small amount of the time..
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Those white women definately were not dressed like muslims..

It looked like they were dressed for a night out imo, but i suppose it could have been an event..
In this day and age there is an issue in the female Muslim community with dress so you will find Muslim women who dress a certain way that is deemed unislamic.
Another thing to mention, that lady in the burqa could have actually been the only Muslim there. The few white women I know that wear the burqa are the only Muslim amongst their friends and family.
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I was wondering if they were not bothering me because I don't look muslim, and they were going for south asian people [yes i know muslims can be any race, but lets face it, it's mostly asians]

It's annoying when people recruit like that, I agree it's not the right approach. although i have seen it work a small amount of the time..
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I'm pretty sure if anyone actually took that approach, they wouldn't avoid you because you don't stereotypically 'look Muslim' ( a stereotype created by the West that is really not accurate.)

I like the way the Prophet (SAW) called people to Islam.
It goes that a Jewish woman in Mecca who would throw garbage (back then rubbish was food waste, sheeps head, an animals uterus ect.) on the doorstep of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) in defiance of his message, and one day she fell sick and could not throw the garbage, so the Prophet (peace be upon him) visited her. Then it is said that she was so amazed at his character that she realized his prophethood and accepted Islam.
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Well, the answer to your question is yes. I bet many Muslim do - but they shouldn't. In Islam, it's haram to attend gatherings where alcohol is being served.
Evidence:

It was narrated that ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever believes in Allaah and the Last Day, let him not sit at a table where wine is being drunk.”
At Tirmidhi
Classed as Saheeh by Ahmad.

Alcohol is a poison that harms the bod when drunk, so when you are seeing your colleagues drink alcohol you are seeing them pour poison down their throats.

Also, alcohol is an intoxicant like cocaine and weed. You won't surely hang around with your colleagues and watch them smoke weed, so why when they drink alcohol you do?
Alcohol is prohibited by Allah, The Creator for a reason and you should hate the sin, but with you attending places, by your own free will, where alcohol is being drunk shows that you don't hate it and you don't really care about the prohibition.

Last thing, it shows your colleagues don't really respect you when you are invited to such gatherings. It's well known that Muslims don't drink alcohol or eat pork. So them inviting you shows that they don't really care. Also, if you attend, it shows to them that you don't care, plus you're giving a bad reputation of Islam.
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