Discussing the Holocaust

There was another frequent attack the Holocaust deniers, this time by this account:
https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/member.php?u=3320326

They think they are clever, just because they read something that questions, the simplified history shown in not very good popular-science TV shows, but they never seem to read more the basic evidence on the subject and dig a bit deeper into it. What are they motivated with- stupidity, hate?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Holocaust_denial#Use_of_gas_chambers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial

I shall add however, that if anyone wishes to fight with Jews, claming that the Holocaust did not happen, such person will also have to fight the memories of another 40 million nation in which almost everyone have or had grandparents, or great grandparents who were either killed by the Nazis, or witnessed the killing.

Denying the Holocaust shows not only the complete ignorance on the subject, and disrespect to Jewish nation, it is also an insult to the Poles who were also aimed for extermination and enslavement, and lost a largest part of their citizens in WWII, among all the countries that took part in it or were affected.

The Nazis killed 3 millions of native Poles, and up to 6 millions of Polish citizens (exept for the Poles, mainly Polish Jews).
Almost every Polish person has or had grandparents or great grandparents who were either killed by the Germans, or seen the Germans killing people, after taking them to forests, or simply at streets. After the Warsaw uprising, the Nazis were even ripping pregnant women open in hospitals, not to mention they deliberately blew up or burned half of the city and killed 220 000 people just in one month.
Moreover several notable persons of Polish public life were arrested as a part of the Intelligenzaktion, and they were killed. In first place to mention, there is also the Generalplan Ost, or the action T4.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_crimes_against_the_Polish_nation

I was personally born and spent most of my life in a town where 60% of population was arrested, locked up in ghetto and "vanished". One of the very first things the Germans did, was to burn a synagogue full of people. There were lots of witnesses as the synagogue was big, next to city center, right next to a medieval castrle standing on a hill.

My great grandparents and grandparents witnessed civilians being killed at streets. One of my great great grandmothers was almost beaten to death by Gestapo. My grandfather who was a kid, almost got killed by an aerial bomb, and later on he worked as a slave in a barbed wire factory. My aunt was chosen for the germanization plan, as she was a little child who looked like a perfect nordic child, and she was only saved by a german who officially adopted her, and left her with our family. Another couple of my great grandparents were arrested by the gestapo and the family was sure they'll never see them again. They only got lucky that the Soviets came in just couple of hours later.

I just hope that the lunatic who has posted the original thread, will read it.
There is no place in any modern society for you, you ignorant scum!

There was another frequent attack by the Holocaust deniers

There was another frequent attack on the Holocaust deniers

or something different?

TL;DR (not too much)
That guy got banned. End of that, and it must have been a Previously Banned User (PBU - you see this abbreviation a lot on TSR, good to remember)

Are you telling me that you are unable to use context to figure out what should be the word that is missing because of typo?

There was another frequent attack by the Holocaust deniers, this time by this account:
https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/member.php?u=3320326

They think they are clever, just because they read something that questions, the simplified history shown in not very good popular-science TV shows, but they never seem to read more the basic evidence on the subject and dig a bit deeper into it. What are they motivated with- stupidity, hate?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Holocaust_denial#Use_of_gas_chambers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial

I shall add however, that if anyone wishes to fight with Jews, claming that the Holocaust did not happen, such person will also have to fight the memories of another 40 million nation in which almost everyone have or had grandparents, or great grandparents who were either killed by the Nazis, or witnessed the killing.

Denying the Holocaust shows not only the complete ignorance on the subject, and disrespect to Jewish nation, it is also an insult to the Poles who were also aimed for extermination and enslavement, and lost a largest part of their citizens in WWII, among all the countries that took part in it or were affected.

The Nazis killed 3 millions of native Poles, and up to 6 millions of Polish citizens (exept for the Poles, mainly Polish Jews).
Almost every Polish person has or had grandparents or great grandparents who were either killed by the Germans, or seen the Germans killing people, after taking them to forests, or simply at streets. After the Warsaw uprising, the Nazis were even ripping pregnant women open in hospitals, not to mention they deliberately blew up or burned half of the city and killed 220 000 people just in one month.
Moreover several notable persons of Polish public life were arrested as a part of the Intelligenzaktion, and they were killed. In first place to mention, there is also the Generalplan Ost, or the action T4.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_crimes_against_the_Polish_nation

I was personally born and spent most of my life in a town where 60% of population was arrested, locked up in ghetto and "vanished". One of the very first things the Germans did, was to burn a synagogue full of people. There were lots of witnesses as the synagogue was big, next to city center, right next to a medieval castrle standing on a hill.

My great grandparents and grandparents witnessed civilians being killed at streets. One of my great great grandmothers was almost beaten to death by Gestapo. My grandfather who was a kid, almost got killed by an aerial bomb, and later on he worked as a slave in a barbed wire factory. My aunt was chosen for the germanization plan, as she was a little child who looked like a perfect nordic child, and she was only saved by a german who officially adopted her, and left her with our family. Another couple of my great grandparents were arrested by the gestapo and the family was sure they'll never see them again. They only got lucky that the Soviets came in just couple of hours later.

I just hope that the lunatic who has posted the original thread, will read it.
There is no place in any modern society for you, you ignorant scum!

As long as people get banned for one side of an argument, you cannot claim to hold up your side of the argument, therefore it has no legitimacy.



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There is a point of view so faulty that it is forbidden, then I have no legitimacy by trying explain what is wrong with it, while others only censor?

Besides I don't care about legitimacy in this case. I got angry because this case is very close to my heart.

As long as people get banned for one side of an argument

Something being a sensitive issue should not mean suppressing speech or debate.

I totally agree- this is not a debate.

Saying that the holocaust didn't exist is like saying that slavery didn't exist. Just really stupid and ignorant and usually only opined to further an agenda.

You can debate about what should be done about holocaust deniers but you cannot debate the holocaust.

As long as people get banned for one side of an argument, you cannot claim to hold up your side of the argument, therefore it has no legitimacy.



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It's quite obvious when you read this why there is debate.

There isn't a debate, though. There are people who deny it happened, yes, but that no more makes it a debate than the existence of people who believe the earth is flat makes that a debate.

The fact that the earth is flat can be scientifically proven

. Historical events involve incomplete evidence, and often contradictory evidence. Hence there are always new books, arguments about history. There have been various revisions over the years, in terms of what happened at different camps, witnesses with differing accounts, debates over what cyanide testing results reveal etc. I can also understand why people would prefer there were no discussion.

Only in eyes of people terribly incompetent in science. And if you think different, you can always hire a physicist or astronomer, to find out how incompetent you are.



Incomplete evidence on minor parts of an event does not change the overall view as there is far more than enough of evidence that the Nazis were capable of any imaginable, (and not imaginable) crimes.
You may question how exactly and where the Nazis were killing, but not the fact that they did act in the most cruel manner and millions of people died as the result, the evidence on that is overwhelming.
Holocaust deniers are usually fools who make a mountain out of a molehill and ignore the real mountains, when they come up with their arguments on evidence.

Disagree, but I don't think discussion is really permitted here.

TL;DR (not too much)
That guy got banned. End of that, and it must have been a Previously Banned User (PBU - you see this abbreviation a lot on TSR, good to remember)
They joined yesterday (as i write this), and assumably banned the same day.
Question for you: did you mean to say either of the following:


or something different?

Hi there,

I have some concerns which I addressed in an email and its been 13 days and I have yet to receive a reply.

When there are pathetic threads created especially regards to the Holocaust and threads maliciously attacking Islam, why does it take hours or even days for the posts to be taken off and for the account to be banned?
I have witnessed the most vile claims and accusations on this site and I am appalled that it takes this long of a time to penalise these individuals.