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Hi, I would like to hear some peoples honest reasons why they are voting tory. I didn't know about parties and politics a couple months ago, but as i done research, I came to my own conclusion that Tory is a party for the wealthy, made to make the rich, richer and the poor, poorer. But i would like to have other opinions about tory, who knows, maybe you could make me change my vote to tory after this discussion
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Hi, I would like to hear some peoples honest reasons why they are voting tory. I didn't know about parties and politics a couple months ago, but as i done research, I came to my own conclusion that Tory is a party for the wealthy, made to make the rich, richer and the poor, poorer. But i would like to have other opinions about tory, who knows, maybe you could make me change my vote to tory after this discussion
That is absolutely not true. It was the conservative party that first gave normal working class people the vote, the ability to buy their house.

The conservative party only works by helping out ordinary people, not making the rich richer or the poor poorer. Indeed, we have higher income tax for people earning over £150,000 a year now than we did under labour, and lower income tax for people earning under £20,000 than we did under labour.

The idea the conservatives are only for the rich is a complete misrepresentation of the truth and political spin from their opponents.

The conservative party are the party of self improvement, and social mobility. Whilst it is the labour party's intention (not new labour to be fair, but certainly current labour and old labour) to shackle people to the state by making them dependent on welfare rather than really helping them to prosper and succeed. The conservatives are the party of aspiration, while the labour party continually work against this.

And if you look at the current labour leadership, Jeremy Corbyn, he was born into a very wealthy middle class family. He went to a grammar school and squandered all the opportunities given to him. I happen to believe this is the issue with socialism, it squanders potential and oppertunity.
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I think that the argument about rich and poor isn't as simple as taxes here. Be prepared for that to be a focus of many replies to this thread who overlook things like pay and working conditions, and public services used primarily by poorer people.

I get the impression from tory voting friends that their motives are economic; they believe that a better economy would outweigh the loss of public services. Labour voting friends disagree over priorities, arguing that the main aim of a government should be public services like the NHS, even if the economy suffers.

Based on their record, this government would continue to dismantle the NHS, police and other public services, but could potentially make the UK more attractive and open to international businesses and financial services.

The kind of Labour government that Corbyn is suggesting hasn't really existed before, but they seem likely to strengthen public services like mental health provision and the police, while making the UK less attractive to foreign investors.

That was my attempt at a fair analysis. I fully expect angry tory voters to pretend that the NHS is somehow safe under their government, or angry Labour voters to talk about how their economic plans are wonderful now
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The conservative party only works by helping out ordinary people, not making the rich richer or the poor poorer.
How can you say this, yet support the party which is cutting services such as education and the NHS, two things which are vital for ordinary people?
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How can you say this, yet support the party which is cutting services such as education and the NHS, two things which are vital for ordinary people?
They're doing neither. Both of these are simply labour party and liberal democrat party spin. In reality the budgets of both are increasing, by billions.

And the lift on the ban of grammar schools will help lift more people out of poverty. The NHS however, I do not have much respect for. It is an outdated antiquated system. Even more socialist countries in Europe do not have fully privatised systems, they have hybrid systems with heavy state subsidies combined with health insurance, while maintaining a healthcare system free at the point of use. As a result France and Germany have some of the best healthcare in the world whilst ours continues to fall apart.
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Because I'm not a terrorist sympathizer and I don't believe in magic money trees.
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That is absolutely not true. It was the conservative party that first gave normal working class people the vote, the ability to buy their house.

The conservative party only works by helping out ordinary people, not making the rich richer or the poor poorer. Indeed, we have higher income tax for people earning over £150,000 a year now than we did under labour, and lower income tax for people earning under £20,000 than we did under labour.

The idea the conservatives are only for the rich is a complete misrepresentation of the truth and political spin from their opponents.

The conservative party are the party of self improvement, and social mobility. Whilst it is the labour party's intention (not new labour to be fair, but certainly current labour and old labour) to shackle people to the state by making them dependent on welfare rather than really helping them to prosper and succeed. The conservatives are the party of aspiration, while the labour party continually work against this.

And if you look at the current labour leadership, Jeremy Corbyn, he was born into a very wealthy middle class family. He went to a grammar school and squandered all the opportunities given to him. I happen to believe this is the issue with socialism, it squanders potential and oppertunity.
I really do not think Conservatives is the party for self improvement and social mobility, they promised we would be out of debt by 2020. We are actually worse in debt now. And I'm sorry, but i really disagree with the social mobility,- they've scrapped housing benefit for 18-21 year olds, making people like me worse of, increased tuition (i can go on)
And when i said making the rich the richer, i think this because they've cut inheritance tax for the rich, that means if you inherit 1 million pounds, you can now be left inheritance-tax-free, benefiting just 22,000 families (who are Conservatives rich friends).
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Because I'm not a terrorist sympathizer and I don't believe in magic money trees.
I am actually here to listen to other peoples thoughts, and you expect me to take you seriously?.. looooooooool nah
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I really do not think Conservatives is the party for self improvement and social mobility, they promised we would be out of debt by 2020. We are actually worse in debt now. And I'm sorry, but i really disagree with the social mobility,- they've scrapped housing benefit for 18-21 year olds, making people like me worse of, increased tuition (i can go on)
And when i said making the rich the richer, i think this because they've cut inheritance tax for the rich, that means if you inherit 1 million pounds, you can now be left inheritance-tax-free, benefiting just 22,000 families (who are Conservatives rich friends).
But housing benefit hinders social mobility. It keeps people dependent on the state, discouraging aspiration. Giving people free handouts is not what helps people to become more affluent and prosperous. It is education, opportunities and providing an easy environment to start small businesses that increases social mobility.

Dependence on the state will never make anybody successful.

And by debt i'm going to assume you mean national debt. The only way to clear national debt by 2020 would be to stop funding for ALL public services for two years, whilst continuing to collect more taxes. That would mean no benefits, no NHS, no schools, no police, no army, no firemen. Literally Nothing. Our national debt is in the trillions of pounds. The conservative have never promised to clear our national debt, because frankly it is impossible. What they did do is promise to reduce the deficit (which sounds like debt but isn't). That mean the amount of EXTRA money we borrow every year. So far that has reduced by 66%. We still borrow £50bn a year adding to the £1.6 trillion of debt we have.

Also in terms of inheritance tax, many people have homes over £1m. Half the houses in the london commuter town where I live are way over that limit. Having a £1m house doesn't make you rich, it just makes you a Londoner with an average London job.

I cannot comment on your individual situation of course, but what I can say, if you want to be prosperous in the long term, the conservative are the party to make that happen, just as long as you work hard and don't live your life off the state. It might lead to you losing some state benefits in the short term, but ultimately the job opportunities that are created by the conservatives through low corporate taxation, and high investment in roads, railways, airports, grammar schools etc will benefit everyone.
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Well labour would tank the economy putting working class people out of jobs as multinationals would move abroad. How can labour say they would represent this class in society when they would only worsen these people's situations. An unfreeze on the public sector pay would also cause mass inflation. National debt would increase harming our potential to borrow in the future for a tory government to fix yet another labour mess
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I support the Tories because they sell arms to Saudi Arabia meaning they can continue their human rights abuses and fund people to preach hate. I also support the Tories because of their cuts to policing and wanting to privatise the NHS. Cutting funds to education and promoting grammar schools that work best for the rich that can tutor at a young age and eradicates a lot of social mobility for the the majority is why I also support the Tories. I value strong and stable leadership and believe we are strong enough to walk out of the EU with no deal as our great leader May will anger those smug EU leaders into gaining us a bad deal meaning we'll reject it for no deal! The EU jobs lost and GDP per average person unlike myself will not affect me meaning I do not mind. I believe UKIP and Tories are far superior to this coalition of chaos against us!
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But housing benefit hinders social mobility. It keeps people dependent on the state, discouraging aspiration. Giving people free handouts is not what helps people to become more affluent and prosperous. It is education, opportunities and providing an easy environment to start small businesses that increases social mobility.

Dependence on the state will never make anybody successful.

And by debt i'm going to assume you mean national debt. The only way to clear national debt by 2020 would be to stop funding for ALL public services for two years, whilst continuing to collect more taxes. That would mean no benefits, no NHS, no schools, no police, no army, no firemen. Literally Nothing. Our national debt is in the trillions of pounds. The conservative have never promised to clear our national debt, because frankly it is impossible. What they did do is promise to reduce the deficit (which sounds like debt but isn't). That mean the amount of EXTRA money we borrow every year. So far that has reduced by 66%. We still borrow £50bn a year adding to the £1.6 trillion of debt we have.

Also in terms of inheritance tax, many people have homes over £1m. Half the houses in the london commuter town where I live are way over that limit. Having a £1m house doesn't make you rich, it just makes you a Londoner with an average London job.

I cannot comment on your individual situation of course, but what I can say, if you want to be prosperous in the long term, the conservative are the party to make that happen, just as long as you work hard and don't live your life off the state. It might lead to you losing some state benefits in the short term, but ultimately the job opportunities that are created by the conservatives through low corporate taxation, and high investment in roads, railways, airports, grammar schools etc will benefit everyone.
You are failing to realise some people NEED to have benefits, there are disabled people who are living and being treated like animals due to the cuts Tory has made ( ). People need help from the government to raise their children right so they can have a good life.

Yes I meant deficit, Tories indeed promised that the deficit would be 'eliminated' by 2015, UK’s debt has increased by £555 billion since the Tories came to power.

The inheritance tax only benefits around 22,000 families. Figures also show that this tax will most benefit the Tory-held areas. And it has actually lost a total of £1 billion which could've been spent on our economy since we are in **** loads of debt, the 1 billion clearly could've been spent on schools and hospitals.
I still disagree, you haven't really shown me how Tory has made the UK any better. You seem to ignore the people who need benefits because they can't actually work, and they need to be 'aspired' to work... I still think Tories are picking on the young, old and the disabled.
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Well labour would tank the economy putting working class people out of jobs as multinationals would move abroad. How can labour say they would represent this class in society when they would only worsen these people's situations. An unfreeze on the public sector pay would also cause mass inflation. National debt would increase harming our potential to borrow in the future for a tory government to fix yet another labour mess
I asked 'why are you voting tory', not 'why are you not voting labour'. A lot of Tories all seem to do is slate Labour, i would genuinely like to hear some polices, statistics, etc.
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as i done research, I came to my own conclusion that Tory is a party for the wealthy, made to make the rich, richer and the poor, poorer.
I very much doubt you came to that conclusion through genuine research. It's just a stereotype invented by the working class; most of whom despise honest, hard-working folk who are more responsible and get to where they are by making sensible life decisions. "The more you make, the more we take" is a deeply immoral way of looking at freedom in a capitalist society.

I'm voting Tory because of Brexit and immigration, two things I wouldn't trust Labour ever managing in their current climate.
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I very much doubt you came to that conclusion through genuine research. It's just a stereotype invented by the working class; most of whom despise honest, hard-working folk who are more responsible and get to where they are by making sensible life decisions. "The more you make, the more we take" is a deeply immoral way of looking at freedom in a capitalist society.

I'm voting Tory because of Brexit and immigration, two things I wouldn't trust Labour ever managing in their current climate.
Well the polices they have created makes me think so.. I have already stated some in the thread. And ok I respect your reasons, however, this 'no deal is better than a bad deal'... what will happen if we're gonna have to do a no deal lol. And why would you trust Thersea more than Jeremy at a brexit deal since she voted remain herself?
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I think that the argument about rich and poor isn't as simple as taxes here. Be prepared for that to be a focus of many replies to this thread who overlook things like pay and working conditions, and public services used primarily by poorer people.

I get the impression from tory voting friends that their motives are economic; they believe that a better economy would outweigh the loss of public services. Labour voting friends disagree over priorities, arguing that the main aim of a government should be public services like the NHS, even if the economy suffers.

Based on their record, this government would continue to dismantle the NHS, police and other public services, but could potentially make the UK more attractive and open to international businesses and financial services.

The kind of Labour government that Corbyn is suggesting hasn't really existed before, but they seem likely to strengthen public services like mental health provision and the police, while making the UK less attractive to foreign investors.

That was my attempt at a fair analysis. I fully expect angry tory voters to pretend that the NHS is somehow safe under their government, or angry Labour voters to talk about how their economic plans are wonderful now
You seem to forget who increased minimum wage, hint it wasnt Labour.
If the economy suffers, how do Labour supporters propose we fund these public services? Its quite difficult to pay for something when you have no money. I would rather have a decent economy and no debt than a load of public services and more debt than we can pay off.
The NHs currently has a lot of issues, especially with regards to how much bureaucracy it has. If that could be cut down and the middle management trimmed massively then a lot more money would actually make it where it needs to go. And put a monitoring system in place for NHS trust bosses giving themselves massive wages when the trust is in the red.

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I really do not think Conservatives is the party for self improvement and social mobility, they promised we would be out of debt by 2020. We are actually worse in debt now. And I'm sorry, but i really disagree with the social mobility,- they've scrapped housing benefit for 18-21 year olds, making people like me worse of, increased tuition (i can go on)
And when i said making the rich the richer, i think this because they've cut inheritance tax for the rich, that means if you inherit 1 million pounds, you can now be left inheritance-tax-free, benefiting just 22,000 families (who are Conservatives rich friends).
Thy promised to have cut the deficit to 0 by 2020, not the same thing as getting debt to 0. As long as we are running a deficit the debt will increase, the deficit was needed to get us out of the hole Labour dug for us under Blair and Brown.
Housing benefit, help to buy and similar schemes helped landlords ramp up rent and caused house prices to inflate, since people had access to more money.
How do you propose unis fund themselves, since the number of people attending uni has shot up since Blair? they cant rely on grants, so they charge fees to students. As the number of students increases, the drains on the university resources gets larger, so more money is needed leading to the fees increasing. Grants are for research funding, not to help students pay for the education.
Inheritance tax rates are set to increase on a sliding scale afaik. Also, given the current housing market, an inheritance of £1 million is not a lot once you add assets (shares, property etc.). The £1 million tax free buffer is there to protect everyone, and makes fewer people pay inheritance tax.
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what will happen if we're gonna have to do a no deal lol.
The probability of that scenario happening is extremely low. If it were to happen, I'd suspect that negotiations with other commonwealth countries would start very quickly. Over time, the EU will realize that they rely on the UK's export rate and will give in to the UK's demands. It wouldn't be the end of the world, like some people are suggesting. What would be the end of the world is a bad deal that doesn't allow us to control our borders and make our own decisions as an independent nation. Corbyn has already stated that he will get a deal, so already that doesn't put us in a strong negotiating position.

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And why would you trust Thersea more than Jeremy at a brexit deal since she voted remain herself?
She has a good record in negotiating and has stated repeatedly that she believes in "the will of the people". If her remainer side was still lurking inside, then it wouldn't matter much because of the influence from Tory associates who are firm brexiters. The same can't be said for Labour.
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You are failing to realise some people NEED to have benefits, there are disabled people who are living and being treated like animals due to the cuts Tory has made ( ). People need help from the government to raise their children right so they can have a good life.

Yes I meant deficit, Tories indeed promised that the deficit would be 'eliminated' by 2015, UK’s debt has increased by £555 billion since the Tories came to power.

The inheritance tax only benefits around 22,000 families. Figures also show that this tax will most benefit the Tory-held areas. And it has actually lost a total of £1 billion which could've been spent on our economy since we are in **** loads of debt, the 1 billion clearly could've been spent on schools and hospitals.
I still disagree, you haven't really shown me how Tory has made the UK any better. You seem to ignore the people who need benefits because they can't actually work, and they need to be 'aspired' to work... I still think Tories are picking on the young, old and the disabled.
Well criticising the conservatives for not reducing the deficit is in many respects hypocritical, because in order to have done that, they would have had to cut services and benefits even more than they already did, something that you are very clearly against. Also, whilst it may be true they promised in their 2010 manifesto to reduce the deficit to 0 by 2015, they ended up in a coalition with the liberal democrats, so many of their policies had to be watered down because of this.

The conservatives, whilst I can begrudgingly understand why someone might argue they are picking on the young and disabled, they are certainly not picking on the elderly. The triple lock guarantee means that no matter what, pensions will always increase by either inflation, growth in average wages or 3%, whichever is highest. What that means is that younger tax payers have had to pay for pensioners to get increases to their pensions, whilst their own incomes have stagnated or not grown by as much. So in no way are the conservatives picking on the old, indeed their core voter base is the over 50s.

As for the young, well, all political parties pick on the young, because they are an easy target, none of them bother to vote (40% compared to 75% of older people).

As for inheritance tax, its a very unfair tax anyway, because it means if your parents die you suddenly owe the government £100,000s. And I can assure you, the genuinely rich people in Britain have never and will never pay any income tax as their stately homes are put into trusts. This increase helps the middle class and people living in the South, not the genuinely rich (people of net worths >£5m).

As for how the conservatives have made the UK better, one big example, as I have already said, back in 1867, they gave ordinary people the right to vote. Admittedly that was a long time ago, but more recently they introduce 'right to buy' allowing people to own their own council homes instead of renting them. Even more recently than that, they increased minimum wage to £7.20 an hour for over 21 year olds and increased the tax free allowance to £10,500, saving millions of low to middle income people thousands of pounds a year in tax. They also want to reintroduce grammar schools which will help increase social mobility and in the past they have invested in building the majority of Britain's modern road/ motorway network during the 1950s and 1960s, and the 1980s. They are now planning to invest billions into the economy with a new high speed railway, and new motorways which will create huge numbers of jobs both during and after the projects are completed.

Throwing money at people doesn't make Britain a better place, investing in Britain's infrastructure and education system makes Britain a better place, and that is exactly what the conservatives are doing right now, and it is exactly what they always have done.
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