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If you are leader of a major party and lose an election then you step down. EVERY leader in history has done that.
So why hasn't Corbyn?
Is he going to hang on until 2022? And then what? Release the same manifesto in which didn't work now, and won't work then?

And why is not one talking about this point? The man is turning the Labour party into a Union with a dictator at the top.
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(Original post by Jimbo1234)
If you are leader of a major party and lose an election then you step down. EVERY leader in history has done that.
So why hasn't Corbyn?
Is he going to hang on until 2022? And then what? Release the same manifesto in which didn't work now, and won't work then?

And why is not one talking about this point? The man is turning the Labour party into a Union with a dictator at the top.
Because it is relative. They were facing a 200 Tory majority and instead the Tories lost seats.

There is no pressure for him to step down and nobody better to replace him at the moment. They can have who they like as party leader. Up to them and not you.

Fact is the manifesto did work to save those seats and if it encourages more young voters, then it could well make even more progress next time. It will force the pries to address the issue of student debt.

He had a good election, even if you think he would e a rubbish leader.
the tories had a rubbish election, lost seats, T May was very poor hiding on debates and the manifesto was dull and uninspiring.
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Though Tony Benn and crew (including Jeremy Corbyn) launched an unsuccessful putsch in similar circumstances in 1987 agains kinnock.
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(Original post by Jimbo1234)
If you are leader of a major party and lose an election then you step down. EVERY leader in history has done that.
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Baldwin in 1924
Baldwin in 1929
Henderson in 1931
Attlee in 1935
Churchill in 1945
Churchill in 1950
Attlee in 1951
Attlee in 1955
Gaitskell in 1959
Heath in 1966
Wilson in 1970
Heath in February 1974
Heath in October 1974
Callaghan in 1979
Kinnock in 1987

All continued in office. Cameron would have done so in 2010 if Brown had been able to form a coalition. Hague perhaps should have done so in 2001 and would have done so if Blair's majority would have been cut.


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Because it is relative. They were facing a 200 Tory majority and instead the Tories lost seats.

There is no pressure for him to step down and nobody better to replace him at the moment. They can have who they like as party leader. Up to them and not you.

Fact is the manifesto did work to save those seats and if it encourages more young voters, then it could well make even more progress next time. It will force the pries to address the issue of student debt.

He had a good election, even if you think he would e a rubbish leader.
the tories had a rubbish election, lost seats, T May was very poor hiding on debates and the manifesto was dull and uninspiring.
He failed to win an election, ergo he can't lead the party to victory. With him staying that means Labour can not progress........

The only reason Labour got ahead is due to a vast number of people being highly misinformed/stupid and people resenting a well spoken woman as a leader.



(Original post by nulli tertius)
Baldwin in 1924
Baldwin in 1929
Henderson in 1931
Attlee in 1935
Churchill in 1945
Churchill in 1950
Attlee in 1951
Attlee in 1955
Gaitskell in 1959
Heath in 1966
Wilson in 1970
Heath in February 1974
Heath in October 1974
Callaghan in 1979
Kinnock in 1987

All continued in office. Cameron would have done so in 2010 if Brown had been able to form a coalition. Hague perhaps should have done so in 2001 and would have done so if Blair's majority would have been cut.


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So only a handful (work out the percentage :rolleyes:), and none for 30 years. Well I guess Corbyn is a man of the past after all :rofl:
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because no one won it was a stale mate.

the election was Tory vs LIB dems+SNP+Labor+greens

the score was pretty much a dead heat almost an exact tie. 318-310
then the Tories joined with someone who was not really relevant before and took it.

However there is highly likely to be a second election. and now they believe Corbyn can win it for Labor.
Its not Corbyn who needs to go its May.

I dont want Corbyn I know he will destroy the country beyond any hope of any repair.

However he is to strong for Labor to ditch now, Tories need someone who can stand a chance and May has made herself to unpopular for this role. May has to go.
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I spent 2 years ****ging him off but I don't think there's grounds for him to go, he increased his vote share and the number of seats.
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(Original post by Jimbo1234)
If you are leader of a major party and lose an election then you step down. EVERY leader in history has done that.
So why hasn't Corbyn?
Is he going to hang on until 2022? And then what? Release the same manifesto in which didn't work now, and won't work then?

And why is not one talking about this point? The man is turning the Labour party into a Union with a dictator at the top.
A dictator that was re-elected twice, I don't think thats how dictatorships work. You're right that usually happens after scheduled general election, but we didn't have a scheduled election. I have never seen such media bias in an election, Corbyn carried the labour party on his shoulders and denied the conservatives their majority despite all the odds against him. If he stands in 2022 he will not have the same manifesto as we would have left the EU by then, there will also be slightly different issues then. His manifesto will largely be about nhs, nationalisation , taxation etc.
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(Original post by Jimbo1234)
If you are leader of a major party and lose an election then you step down. EVERY leader in history has done that.
So why hasn't Corbyn?
Is he going to hang on until 2022? And then what? Release the same manifesto in which didn't work now, and won't work then?

And why is not one talking about this point? The man is turning the Labour party into a Union with a dictator at the top.
I think the question should be, 'Why hasn't Theresa May stepped down???'....
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Because for him, given the dire predictions made at the start of the campaign, this election was an astounding success. He increased the party's vote share and number of seats from the last election, and staved off a Tory majority which was initially forecast to be in the triple digits. It should also be noted that this election was unexpected, and that everyone technically 'lost' since it was a hung parliament.

Given how much many members of the PLP disliked Corbyn at the beginning of this year, if they had any desire to mount a vote of no confidence against him after the election result, they would have done so immediately. But they didn't, because the party did much better than anticipated (and much better than it had done under previous leaders), and indeed, many have come forward since the election and admitted that they were wrong about him.

All in all, it's been a pretty good week for Jeremy Corbyn. Theresa May, on the other hand...
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Because for him, given the dire predictions made at the start of the campaign, this election was an astounding success. He increased the party's vote share and number of seats from the last election, and staved off a Tory majority which was initially forecast to be in the triple digits. It should also be noted that this election was unexpected, and that everyone technically 'lost' since it was a hung parliament.

Given how much many members of the PLP disliked Cornyn at the beginning of this year, if they had any desire to mount a vote of no confidence against him after the election result, they would have done so immediately. But they didn't, because the party did much better than anticipated (and much better than it had done under previous leaders), and indeed, many have come forward since the election and admitted that they were wrong about him.

All in all, it's been a pretty good week for Jeremy Corbyn. Theresa May, on the other hand...
Also first time Labour has gained seats since 1997 and first time Labour have increased their vote share by this much since 1945...
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He failed to win an election, ergo he can't lead the party to victory. With him staying that means Labour can not progress...
So... you want Labour to progress?
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The only good thing about having him replaced with someone more normal would be to have the plug pulled on this Momentum cult and their militancy in drugging up our young with their manifesto, they are at it up and down the country's schools. My well informed sources tell me far too many teachers just cannot help giving away their preferences and guess where most of them lie.

The teachers unions' have a lot to answer for in this dumbing down of our youth but you can see why they might have an interest, specially being the type of people to whom the ends will always justify the means. Get the kids and wait fir the next election... Get rid of exams for the sake of the poor stressed children, they don't need that to come out of our beautiful education system with a bright mind and an ability to tell bull from the real world.

Every teacher giving away any preferences in the many school debates at this election is a really bad teacher, they are there to put all sides of the arguments to everyone and urge them to do their thinking. It's no good to tell them Labour are for the many and not the few, unlike the Conservatives and if they dare to try and brainwash the innocent kids they should just be sacked.

And to prevent that from happening, there is only one thing to do: stop talking politics at election time. Just don't do it, full stop.
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(Original post by Jimbo1234)
If you are leader of a major party and lose an election then you step down. EVERY leader in history has done that.
So why hasn't Corbyn?
Is he going to hang on until 2022? And then what? Release the same manifesto in which didn't work now, and won't work then?

And why is not one talking about this point? The man is turning the Labour party into a Union with a dictator at the top.
Apart from the list of leaders who have run that has already been pointed out, an important example would be if you look across the pond at america many people have lost presidential elections and then rerun, including some who then went on to win the presidency, such as Nixon.

It's not fair to say that something that didn't work now won't work in the future, circumstances change.
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Because expectations of him were so low he can make out like this is a success.
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(Original post by Jimbo1234)
If you are leader of a major party and lose an election then you step down. EVERY leader in history has done that.
So why hasn't Corbyn?
Is he going to hang on until 2022? And then what? Release the same manifesto in which didn't work now, and won't work then?

And why is not one talking about this point? The man is turning the Labour party into a Union with a dictator at the top.
because hes too good.......
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Surely the Conservatives want Corbyn to stay on as leader because they think he's the best chance of the Labour party collapsing and Conservatives winning a massive majority.

If someone challenges, Tories can still join Labour and have a vote in the leadership election, it costs £25 now not £3 like in 2015.

But really £25 should be a small price for a Tory to pay to keep Labour out of power so why not join for £25 and ensure JC remains Labour leader?
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(Original post by Jimbo1234)
If you are leader of a major party and lose an election then you step down. EVERY leader in history has done that.
So why hasn't Corbyn?
Is he going to hang on until 2022? And then what? Release the same manifesto in which didn't work now, and won't work then?

And why is not one talking about this point? The man is turning the Labour party into a Union with a dictator at the top.
You are forgetting that he's only been in the role for 2 years and has already made significant gains for Labour.Imagine what he would have been able to do with a general election 3 years later.

The momentum is certainly heading in his direction and if there is another election it may well end up with Labour on the most seats with a lot of Conservative safe seats turned into marginals in the latest election.
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I think the question should be, 'Why hasn't Theresa May stepped down???'....
Because she won and is still PM....why would she step down?


(Original post by zhog)
So... you want Labour to progress?
Yes. Moving on from 1970's policies would be great.


(Original post by techcloud14)
A dictator that was re-elected twice, I don't think thats how dictatorships work. You're right that usually happens after scheduled general election, but we didn't have a scheduled election. I have never seen such media bias in an election, Corbyn carried the labour party on his shoulders and denied the conservatives their majority despite all the odds against him. If he stands in 2022 he will not have the same manifesto as we would have left the EU by then, there will also be slightly different issues then. His manifesto will largely be about nhs, nationalisation , taxation etc.
But he will.
His entire manifesto was a copy-paste job from the 1970's and from what he has said for his entire career. Why would it change?!



(Original post by IMissTheTruckles)
Apart from the list of leaders who have run that has already been pointed out, an important example would be if you look across the pond at america many people have lost presidential elections and then rerun, including some who then went on to win the presidency, such as Nixon.

It's not fair to say that something that didn't work now won't work in the future, circumstances change.
American politics is utterly different to UK politics so you can't compare the two.

And it is very fair to say that if his archaic manifesto failed today, it will fail again - especially as the Tories and Lib Dems would prep to counter it.



(Original post by Dalek1099)
You are forgetting that he's only been in the role for 2 years and has already made significant gains for Labour.Imagine what he would have been able to do with a general election 3 years later.

The momentum is certainly heading in his direction and if there is another election it may well end up with Labour on the most seats with a lot of Conservative safe seats turned into marginals in the latest election.
He hasn't made gains. Just like Trump, Jerry got support due to people having an issue with May...not because they thought his antiquated policies would work. This forum is proof of that. No one could accurately break down Labours costings as it missed out key things (e.g. cost of nationalisation :giggle:)



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because hes too good.......
So good he lost an election.
Yup, epic performance. :rofl:
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into a Union with a dictator at the top.
A "dictator" that got elected by the party members twice.


If he does step down it will now be on the labour left's own terms. This election has strengthened Corbyn considerably. The right of the party will have to suck it up and do what the left did when they were in charge of the party and get behind the party line if they want to be prominent in the direction the party takes. MPs like Chucka seem willing to do this which is good. The Labour PLP can not keep trying to destroy the left.
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