Why hasn't Corbyn stepped down???
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Original post by Jimbo1234
Because she won and is still PM....why would she step down?
Yes. Moving on from 1970's policies would be great.
But he will.
His entire manifesto was a copy-paste job from the 1970's and from what he has said for his entire career. Why would it change?!
American politics is utterly different to UK politics so you can't compare the two.
And it is very fair to say that if his archaic manifesto failed today, it will fail again - especially as the Tories and Lib Dems would prep to counter it.
He hasn't made gains. Just like Trump, Jerry got support due to people having an issue with May...not because they thought his antiquated policies would work. This forum is proof of that. No one could accurately break down Labours costings as it missed out key things (e.g. cost of nationalisation
)
So good he lost an election.
Yup, epic performance.
Yes. Moving on from 1970's policies would be great.
But he will.
His entire manifesto was a copy-paste job from the 1970's and from what he has said for his entire career. Why would it change?!
American politics is utterly different to UK politics so you can't compare the two.
And it is very fair to say that if his archaic manifesto failed today, it will fail again - especially as the Tories and Lib Dems would prep to counter it.
He hasn't made gains. Just like Trump, Jerry got support due to people having an issue with May...not because they thought his antiquated policies would work. This forum is proof of that. No one could accurately break down Labours costings as it missed out key things (e.g. cost of nationalisation
)So good he lost an election.
Yup, epic performance.
Theresa May also lost the election. Her DUP coalition of chaos will also implode soon.
Original post by JMR2017
Theresa May also lost the election. Her DUP coalition of chaos will also implode soon.
Oh look, using the phrase to describe the horror show of Red Jerry and nut job Sturgeon but for May. Looks like you can't even be original about your insults
She got the most votes in the country...so it's odd that she "lost"...
Original post by ChaoticButterfly
A "dictator" that got elected by the party members twice.
If he does step down it will now be on the labour left's own terms. This election has strengthened Corbyn considerably. The right of the party will have to suck it up and do what the left did when they were in charge of the party and get behind the party line if they want to be prominent in the direction the party takes. MPs like Chucka seem willing to do this which is good. The Labour PLP can not keep trying to destroy the left.
If he does step down it will now be on the labour left's own terms. This election has strengthened Corbyn considerably. The right of the party will have to suck it up and do what the left did when they were in charge of the party and get behind the party line if they want to be prominent in the direction the party takes. MPs like Chucka seem willing to do this which is good. The Labour PLP can not keep trying to destroy the left.
Elected by the grassroots movement Miliband brought in...yea, that's the one.
The election has only shown how Labour voters are the UKs version of Trump supporters. No matter what the person does, no matter how much crap and lies they throw out, someone will suck it up and blame the other person or anything else. And they will be damned before facts get in the way of the emotions!
Next time the other parties will be ready and have far less faith in the electorate. That is damaging for everyone as all parties will promise gold lined streets yet offer nothing in reality.
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Original post by Jimbo1234
Oh look, using the phrase to describe the horror show of Red Jerry and nut job Sturgeon but for May. Looks like you can't even be original about your insults
She got the most votes in the country...so it's odd that she "lost"...
Elected by the grassroots movement Miliband brought in...yea, that's the one.
The election has only shown how Labour voters are the UKs version of Trump supporters. No matter what the person does, no matter how much crap and lies they through out, someone will suck it up and blame the other person or anything else. And they will be damned before facts get in the way of the emotions!
Next time the other parties will be ready and have far less faith in the electorate. That is damaging for everyone as all parties will promise gold lined streets yet offer nothing in reality.
She got the most votes in the country...so it's odd that she "lost"...
Elected by the grassroots movement Miliband brought in...yea, that's the one.
The election has only shown how Labour voters are the UKs version of Trump supporters. No matter what the person does, no matter how much crap and lies they through out, someone will suck it up and blame the other person or anything else. And they will be damned before facts get in the way of the emotions!
Next time the other parties will be ready and have far less faith in the electorate. That is damaging for everyone as all parties will promise gold lined streets yet offer nothing in reality.
Ah OK, so when a leader of a party gets his party the highest increase in vote share for about 75 years and his party starts gaining for the first time in 20 years the party should sack the leader. Great logic!
Original post by Jimbo1234
Elected by the grassroots movement Miliband brought in...yea, that's the one.
The election has only shown how Labour voters are the UKs version of Trump supporters. No matter what the person does, no matter how much crap and lies they through out, someone will suck it up and blame the other person or anything else. And they will be damned before facts get in the way of the emotions!
Next time the other parties will be ready and have far less faith in the electorate. That is damaging for everyone as all parties will promise gold lined streets yet offer nothing in reality.
Elected by the grassroots movement Miliband brought in...yea, that's the one.
The election has only shown how Labour voters are the UKs version of Trump supporters. No matter what the person does, no matter how much crap and lies they through out, someone will suck it up and blame the other person or anything else. And they will be damned before facts get in the way of the emotions!
Next time the other parties will be ready and have far less faith in the electorate. That is damaging for everyone as all parties will promise gold lined streets yet offer nothing in reality.
The system that voted in Corbyn was brought in by the right of the party to weaken the unions and the left.
Well who else is going to vote in a party election other than the members of that party?
New yougov poll
On who would make best Prime Minister:
T. May: 39% (-4)
J. Corbyn: 39% (+7)
But then hey, what do You Gov know?
Maybe the other parties will now get off their fat lazy arses and start making houses more affordable for young people. GOOD. I hope this result gave them a kick up the arse. Firstly Northern Ireland is going to get some magic money trees.
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No pressure for him to step down. Was a successful campaign, exceeded statistics, even Labour members who were against him have generally became more amiable towards him after the success.
Original post by Beth_H
For someone who claims that Corbyn's doing a bad job, you seem to be awfully insecure about the prospect of him staying on.
Yeah exactly. Why would he care about Corbyn if he is a nutcase and bad leader. On the contrary, he should be pleased that he is staying, for if he was a nutcase, it would be good for the Tories...
Original post by Jimbo1234
Because she won and is still PM....why would she step down?
Yes. Moving on from 1970's policies would be great.
But he will.
His entire manifesto was a copy-paste job from the 1970's and from what he has said for his entire career. Why would it change?!
American politics is utterly different to UK politics so you can't compare the two.
And it is very fair to say that if his archaic manifesto failed today, it will fail again - especially as the Tories and Lib Dems would prep to counter it.
He hasn't made gains. Just like Trump, Jerry got support due to people having an issue with May...not because they thought his antiquated policies would work. This forum is proof of that. No one could accurately break down Labours costings as it missed out key things (e.g. cost of nationalisation)
So good he lost an election.
Yup, epic performance.
Yes. Moving on from 1970's policies would be great.
But he will.
His entire manifesto was a copy-paste job from the 1970's and from what he has said for his entire career. Why would it change?!
American politics is utterly different to UK politics so you can't compare the two.
And it is very fair to say that if his archaic manifesto failed today, it will fail again - especially as the Tories and Lib Dems would prep to counter it.
He hasn't made gains. Just like Trump, Jerry got support due to people having an issue with May...not because they thought his antiquated policies would work. This forum is proof of that. No one could accurately break down Labours costings as it missed out key things (e.g. cost of nationalisation
)So good he lost an election.
Yup, epic performance.
yes he lost the election.... but he gained more than Theresa May did, and now Theresa is in big trouble and i would say in the next election he would win. can't be bothered going in to detail for you, if you watched the news and kept up to date you would understand
Why would he? This is just the beginning. When mayhems government collapses, you'll enjoy the rise of the great communist republic of Britain.
Seriously though, opposition leaders don't always step down, and with the result he's earned a crack with the moderates getting behind him, to see how far this movement can go.
Seriously though, opposition leaders don't always step down, and with the result he's earned a crack with the moderates getting behind him, to see how far this movement can go.
Original post by Jimbo1234
If you are leader of a major party and lose an election then you step down. EVERY leader in history has done that.
So why hasn't Corbyn?
Is he going to hang on until 2022? And then what? Release the same manifesto in which didn't work now, and won't work then?
And why is not one talking about this point? The man is turning the Labour party into a Union with a dictator at the top.
So why hasn't Corbyn?
Is he going to hang on until 2022? And then what? Release the same manifesto in which didn't work now, and won't work then?
And why is not one talking about this point? The man is turning the Labour party into a Union with a dictator at the top.
Because he has the full backing of the membership and did much better than expected.
The next election certainly won't be 5 years away it will be 3 years max and could be as little as 4 months.
With the backing of his MP's and the public taking him more seriously from the start he may do even better next time, especially if the boundary changes haven't come in yet.
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Original post by paul514
Because he has the full backing of the membership and did much better than expected.
The next election certainly won't be 5 years away it will be 3 years max and could be as little as 4 months.
With the backing of his MP's and the public taking him more seriously from the start he may do even better next time, especially if the boundary changes haven't come in yet.
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The next election certainly won't be 5 years away it will be 3 years max and could be as little as 4 months.
With the backing of his MP's and the public taking him more seriously from the start he may do even better next time, especially if the boundary changes haven't come in yet.
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What part of "lost" do you not understand?
No, most of the public don't take him seriously. You simply have a lot of working class men who resented a well spoken woman, and naive students who have never talked to someone from the 70's or read a history book.
Original post by JMR2017
Ah OK, so when a leader of a party gets his party the highest increase in vote share for about 75 years and his party starts gaining for the first time in 20 years the party should sack the leader. Great logic!
Yes, because losing is still.....losing.
And maybe the party should realise that it last got in power due to New Labour - not old 1970's labour
Original post by ChaoticButterfly
The system that voted in Corbyn was brought in by the right of the party to weaken the unions and the left.
Well who else is going to vote in a party election other than the members of that party?
New yougov poll
On who would make best Prime Minister:
T. May: 39% (-4)
J. Corbyn: 39% (+7)
But then hey, what do You Gov know?
Maybe the other parties will now get off their fat lazy arses and start making houses more affordable for young people. GOOD. I hope this result gave them a kick up the arse. Firstly Northern Ireland is going to get some magic money trees.
Well who else is going to vote in a party election other than the members of that party?
New yougov poll
On who would make best Prime Minister:
T. May: 39% (-4)
J. Corbyn: 39% (+7)
But then hey, what do You Gov know?
Maybe the other parties will now get off their fat lazy arses and start making houses more affordable for young people. GOOD. I hope this result gave them a kick up the arse. Firstly Northern Ireland is going to get some magic money trees.
Well it is clear from the election that the UK electorate is stupid. They believed Red Jerrys Trump styled promises! So not only did they not learn from the carnage in the USA, but they didn't learn from the 70's, nor from doing simple maths. Oh, and many were happy to back a racists moronic bigot as home secretary.
But ya know, **** policies as none of those things makes you feel insecure, but an authoritarian woman does...
Original post by Jimbo1234
If you are leader of a major party and lose an election then you step down. EVERY leader in history has done that.
So why hasn't Corbyn?
Is he going to hang on until 2022? And then what? Release the same manifesto in which didn't work now, and won't work then?
And why is not one talking about this point? The man is turning the Labour party into a Union with a dictator at the top.
So why hasn't Corbyn?
Is he going to hang on until 2022? And then what? Release the same manifesto in which didn't work now, and won't work then?
And why is not one talking about this point? The man is turning the Labour party into a Union with a dictator at the top.
His manifesto clearly did work as he gained 29 seats and he would have won if he hadn't had lost out by 2227 votes. Corbyn has led Labour to great victory and although he didn't win the election neither did theresa may? Why hasn't theresa may stepped down?
Original post by Jimbo1234
He failed to win an election, ergo he can't lead the party to victory. With him staying that means Labour can not progress........
The only reason Labour got ahead is due to a vast number of people being highly misinformed/stupid and people resenting a well spoken woman as a leader.
So only a handful (work out the percentage), and none for 30 years. Well I guess Corbyn is a man of the past after all
The only reason Labour got ahead is due to a vast number of people being highly misinformed/stupid and people resenting a well spoken woman as a leader.
So only a handful (work out the percentage
), and none for 30 years. Well I guess Corbyn is a man of the past after all Corbyn IS the progress. The whole Labour party rallies around him. He's in the best position to lead the party in the next GE. Considering that his position is cemented, the party is united, Tories are in shambles, and Brexit unlikely to work out as planned, Labour will be unstoppable come 2020.
Original post by tanisha04
His manifesto clearly did work as he gained 29 seats
No you see what you've done there is confused 2 things. He gained 29 seats because a sizable portion of the electorate used the electoral process to try and scupper BrExit, i.e. the Remainers. They voted tactically to ensure the Tories didn't get their majority. They even had websites running to tell everyone how to tactically vote.
Believing that Labour just gained the hearts and minds of 1000s of people is simply deluded and an act of denial. These people voted Labour purely as a mechanism to stop the Tories, and stop BrExit (or at least what they thought would be hard BrExit).
Without their tactical voting, and indeed without Corbyn shamelessly buying the young vote with his vapourware free tuition fees stunt, Labour would have suffered a landslide defeat, possibly their biggest for many years.
It's amazing how much in denial Labour supporters are in on this issue and that's tragic because unless they realise how truly unpopular Labour is and continues to be and how unelectable Corbyn is with his reprehensible history and refusal to deal with anti-Semitism in his ranks, then Labour will never progress.
Original post by tanisha04
Corbyn has led Labour to great victory and although he didn't win the election neither did theresa may
No, again you are in denial. Corbyn led the Labour party into a loss.
Let it sink in. Labour lost. It's didn't lose because it didn't achieve a majority vote, it lost because it didn't get the most votes or the most seats. Period.
Labour lost.
Labour was defeated.
Corbyn was the prime culprit.
His tactic of bribing the young voters and the crutch of having lots of BrExit tactical voters choosing Labour, has the result of ARTIFICIALLY making him and/or Labour look more popular than they actually are. Seriously don't fool yourself. The country hasn't forgotten the tragedies of Blair and Brown who near bankrupted the country and took us into illegal wars.
Gaining just 261 seats, when it includes a ton of tactical voting and a bribed youth vote is an utterly abysmal result. Add to that the fact that the Tories had an abysmal campaign themselves and you can see that Labour should have had a runaway victory if they were in the least bit popular.
But they only scraped 261 seats.
They aren't popular. The country doesn't trust Labour as far as they could throw it.
Most think Corbyn is a disgrace and unelectable. The Labour party should have ousted him long ago. Had they done so they might have stood a chance at this election. More fools them, and bigger fools for STILL being in denial post election and failing to oust him even now.
On balance, Labour just suffered one of it's biggest defeats ever. The 261 seats doesn't show it, it hides the truth, it hides the indisputable fact that many of those seats were simply BrExit tactical voting and not a vote for the Labour party itself and it hides the fact that a good proportion (not all) of the young electorate were bribed and ultimately fooled.
Corbyn should absolutely stand down, and if not the party should absolutely do whatever it takes to remove him.
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Survation (called this GE and the eu referendum right):
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/873674408224862210
Labour are unpopular they say. Corbyn is unelectable they say. Roll on the collapse of Theresa's coalition of chaos.
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Labour are unpopular they say. Corbyn is unelectable they say. Roll on the collapse of Theresa's coalition of chaos.
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Original post by Stiff Little Fingers
Labour are unpopular they say. Corbyn is unelectable they say. Roll on the collapse of Theresa's coalition of chaos.
More denial. Labour lost mate. And they lost badly.
Trying to dress up the loss gets you and the party nowhere.
Hell I'm no fan of the Tories, and the entire political system sucks but Labour are an absolute mess with Corbyn at the helm. Labour will never get in power again until they get rid of him and Abbott.
Remember that May was only a mere 8 seats from a ruling majority. That's really nothing. In effect they have a normal government. They're just going to have to deal with some DUP issues, that's all.
The country needs a viable opposition. Otherwise democracy is gone.
So everyone needs Labour and Labour supporters to get their heads out of their backsides and deal with the reality here. Labour performed abysmally.
They CAN turn it around but only if they:
1) First accept that they were defeated and only got 261 because they were propped up by anti-BrExit tactical voting and the bribed youth
2) Remove Corbyn and Abbott from the proceedings
3) Put up someone smart and credible who doesn't have a reprehensible history to lead the party
4) Produce a credible manifesto which deals with the enormous UK deficit
Original post by PilgrimOfTruth
More denial. Labour lost mate. And they lost badly.
Trying to dress up the loss gets you and the party nowhere.
Hell I'm no fan of the Tories, and the entire political system sucks but Labour are an absolute mess with Corbyn at the helm. Labour will never get in power again until they get rid of him and Abbott.
Remember that May was only a mere 8 seats from a ruling majority. That's really nothing. In effect they have a normal government. They're just going to have to deal with some DUP issues, that's all.
The country needs a viable opposition. Otherwise democracy is gone.
So everyone needs Labour and Labour supporters to get their heads out of their backsides and deal with the reality here. Labour performed abysmally.
They CAN turn it around but only if they:
1) First accept that they were defeated and only got 261 because they were propped up by anti-BrExit tactical voting and the bribed youth
2) Remove Corbyn and Abbott from the proceedings
3) Put up someone smart and credible who doesn't have a reprehensible history to lead the party
4) Produce a credible manifesto which deals with the enormous UK deficit
Trying to dress up the loss gets you and the party nowhere.
Hell I'm no fan of the Tories, and the entire political system sucks but Labour are an absolute mess with Corbyn at the helm. Labour will never get in power again until they get rid of him and Abbott.
Remember that May was only a mere 8 seats from a ruling majority. That's really nothing. In effect they have a normal government. They're just going to have to deal with some DUP issues, that's all.
The country needs a viable opposition. Otherwise democracy is gone.
So everyone needs Labour and Labour supporters to get their heads out of their backsides and deal with the reality here. Labour performed abysmally.
They CAN turn it around but only if they:
1) First accept that they were defeated and only got 261 because they were propped up by anti-BrExit tactical voting and the bribed youth
2) Remove Corbyn and Abbott from the proceedings
3) Put up someone smart and credible who doesn't have a reprehensible history to lead the party
4) Produce a credible manifesto which deals with the enormous UK deficit
Didn't look at the poll then? Labour under Corbyn is going from strength to strength, it's just anti labour people calling for him to go, and it's obviously because they're scared of the rise of a credible left wing alternative.
Original post by Stiff Little Fingers
Didn't look at the poll then? Labour under Corbyn is going from strength to strength, it's just anti labour people calling for him to go, and it's obviously because they're scared of the rise of a credible left wing alternative.
Mate I genuinely, sincerely couldn't give a flying **** about Corbyn or May, Lab or Con. The choice is an illusion.
I have no axe to grind, but the level of denial in the Labour camp is staggering.
Votes are what count, not polls, not chirpy sound bites, not meaningless rhetoric.
Right now the Tories have 57 more entire constituencies that support them than Labour. You have to deal with that number. Believing you won this election is pure folly. It was a monumental defeat given the unique circumstances. As BrExit trugs on, and becomes less and less a part of the voting process, Labour will (if it refuses to change) become less and less popular and will never get back into power.
Original post by PilgrimOfTruth
Mate I genuinely, sincerely couldn't give a flying **** about Corbyn or May, Lab or Con. The choice is an illusion.
I have no axe to grind, but the level of denial in the Labour camp is staggering.
Votes are what count, not polls, not chirpy sound bites, not meaningless rhetoric.
Right now the Tories have 57 more entire constituencies that support them than Labour. You have to deal with that number. Believing you won this election is pure folly. It was a monumental defeat given the unique circumstances. As BrExit trugs on, and becomes less and less a part of the voting process, Labour will (if it refuses to change) become less and less popular and will never get back into power.
I have no axe to grind, but the level of denial in the Labour camp is staggering.
Votes are what count, not polls, not chirpy sound bites, not meaningless rhetoric.
Right now the Tories have 57 more entire constituencies that support them than Labour. You have to deal with that number. Believing you won this election is pure folly. It was a monumental defeat given the unique circumstances. As BrExit trugs on, and becomes less and less a part of the voting process, Labour will (if it refuses to change) become less and less popular and will never get back into power.
Yeah, you obviously don't know what you're talking about. It wasn't a monumental defeat by any stretch of the imagination; from where we were the result was a great improvement, from a very good campaign.
If Corbyn steps down, the Labour party would most likely be obliterated.
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