Why hasn't Corbyn stepped down???

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So only a handful (work out the percentage :rolleyes:

), and none for 30 years.

There have only been two comparable situations (i.e. where a major party significantly improved its standing but still lost) in the past 30 years:
- Kinnock for Labour in 1992, who stepped down because it was already his second effort.
- Michael Howard for the Tories in 2005, who had always been regarded as something of a stopgap leader after the Duncan-Smith disaster anyway.

Reply 41

Joinedup

Original post by anarchism101

I wouldn't say those were comparable
What a lot of people on this thread aren't factoring in is the return to effectively a 2 party election across most of England. the previous two general elections we had strong showings for third parties LibDem and then UKIP - commentators were waffling up a storm about the end of two party politics.

This is how the Conservatives have grown their share of vote and it's still a kick in the teeth for them... because they've benefited much less from the collapse of the 3rd party vote than Labour.

Reply 42

Joshale

most Conservative voters are stupidly uneducated, and racists.

May needs to step down, bring Corbyn in. For the greater good.

Why hasn't May??

Original post by Nerry

Why hasn't May??

Errr cos she won, and won very significantly.

318 seats vs Labours awful 261. More overall votes to boot !

The numpty Labour supporters are still deluding themselves that they won this. Just unbelievable. They see a little improvement from last election and think, "hey we're fab! we must have won!" but they have their heads in the sand.

Labour Lost.

How many times does it need to be said for it to sink in?

Labour is a full 57 constituencies adrift of Conservatives !

Despite Labour making some gains, albeit artificially because of tactical voting, they are still at the same dismal level they were in 2010 ffs ! They got 258 seats then. It's funny but I don't remember Labour supporters ranting about how they won the 2010 election !!!

Labour Lost

You have work to do, a lot of it. Get TF on with it !

Oust the IRA supporting Corbyn, oust Abbott and put together a credible party.

Then, maybe, just maybe I and many others might lend you our support too.

Reply 45

Stiff Little Fingers

Original post by PilgrimOfTruth

Errr cos she won, and won very significantly.

Tell her that:

https://twitter.com/theresa_may/status/865855578454806529

Seats lost: 13.

(edited 6 years ago)

Reply 46

DJKL

[QUOTE=Jimbo1234;72031354. EVERY leader in history has done that.
So why hasn't Corbyn?

Churchill,Heath, Wilson,if we go back further we can get a few more like Gladstone and Disraeli.

In between we have MacDonald and Baldwin, there may be others.

So Every!!!!

Reply 47

username2981082

Why would he step down when he has done exceptionally well? For god's sake, Labour managed to take Kensington, a constituency that Labour had struggled to take for a long time. I underestimated Corbyn too and didn't expect him to be able to hold on to his position as Labour leader. I don't think all the credit should go to Corbyn. Labour also had a really good manifesto whilst the Tory manifesto was a pile of dog turd.

Reply 48

yudothis

Classic psychology, unhappy with the outcome so you go on the offensive.

Reply 49

Castro Saint

Corbyn haters are salty af mwuahaha you won't be seeing the back of him yet :biggrin:

Fingers crossed Johnson takes over the tory party then they are truly f*****.

Reply 50

tanisha04

Original post by PilgrimOfTruth

No you see what you've done there is confused 2 things. He gained 29 seats because a sizable portion of the electorate used the electoral process to try and scupper BrExit, i.e. the Remainers. They voted tactically to ensure the Tories didn't get their majority. They even had websites running to tell everyone how to tactically vote.

Believing that Labour just gained the hearts and minds of 1000s of people is simply deluded and an act of denial. These people voted Labour purely as a mechanism to stop the Tories, and stop BrExit (or at least what they thought would be hard BrExit).

Without their tactical voting, and indeed without Corbyn shamelessly buying the young vote with his vapourware free tuition fees stunt, Labour would have suffered a landslide defeat, possibly their biggest for many years.

It's amazing how much in denial Labour supporters are in on this issue and that's tragic because unless they realise how truly unpopular Labour is and continues to be and how unelectable Corbyn is with his reprehensible history and refusal to deal with anti-Semitism in his ranks, then Labour will never progress.

No, again you are in denial. Corbyn led the Labour party into a loss.
Let it sink in. Labour lost. It's didn't lose because it didn't achieve a majority vote, it lost because it didn't get the most votes or the most seats. Period.

Labour lost.

Labour was defeated.

Corbyn was the prime culprit.

His tactic of bribing the young voters and the crutch of having lots of BrExit tactical voters choosing Labour, has the result of ARTIFICIALLY making him and/or Labour look more popular than they actually are. Seriously don't fool yourself. The country hasn't forgotten the tragedies of Blair and Brown who near bankrupted the country and took us into illegal wars.

Gaining just 261 seats, when it includes a ton of tactical voting and a bribed youth vote is an utterly abysmal result. Add to that the fact that the Tories had an abysmal campaign themselves and you can see that Labour should have had a runaway victory if they were in the least bit popular.

But they only scraped 261 seats.

They aren't popular. The country doesn't trust Labour as far as they could throw it.

Most think Corbyn is a disgrace and unelectable. The Labour party should have ousted him long ago. Had they done so they might have stood a chance at this election. More fools them, and bigger fools for STILL being in denial post election and failing to oust him even now.

On balance, Labour just suffered one of it's biggest defeats ever. The 261 seats doesn't show it, it hides the truth, it hides the indisputable fact that many of those seats were simply BrExit tactical voting and not a vote for the Labour party itself and it hides the fact that a good proportion (not all) of the young electorate were bribed and ultimately fooled.

Corbyn should absolutely stand down, and if not the party should absolutely do whatever it takes to remove him.

Sorry but..

Conservative also lost
Conservative was also defeated
Theresa May is at fault her plan backfired in her face.
Theresa May needs to step down.
Embarrassing for the tories to even think Theresa May can carry on as PM after the results of this snap election.

Reply 51

JMR2021_

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Original post by Castro Saint

Corbyn haters are salty af mwuahaha you won't be seeing the back of him yet :biggrin:

Fingers crossed Johnson takes over the tory party then they are truly f*****.

Reply 52

JMR2021_

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Original post by Farm_Ecology

If Corbyn steps down, the Labour party would most likely be obliterated.

Amazing how you would have laughed at if someone suggested this only a few weeks ago. Tories used to laugh at Corbyn. Now they are afraid of him. I personally know many who have switched their vote from Tory to Labour just because of him and his policies.

Reply 53

sek510i

He's increased party membership massively (hundreds of thousands) and got far more votes than he was expected to.

He's got enough support to form a minority coalition government, potentially, and the party is doing far better than it has for a long time. It's clearly a popular set of policies, a popular party and he's seemingly the best person to be leading it right now.

He's a successful party leader, he's got no reason to stand down. Making frequent anti-Corbyn posts on TSR isn't going to change the fact that he's doing well.

Reply 54

Stiff Little Fingers

Original post by sek510i

There won't be a minority labour government this parliament - we'd need everyone in coalition, including Sinn Fein (who don't take their seats) just to level with the tories. Give it the Brexit negotiations (doomed to fail, particularly if may still rules the roost), the appointment of the clown Boris to conservative leader. Then, then comes the labour government, and in power for at least a decade.

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Reply 55

sek510i

Original post by Stiff Little Fingers

Fingers crossed? :smile:

Reply 56

Iskh

Lol why would he, despite not winning the election it has been successful since he proved many members from labour and other parties wrong. If anything he has weakened the tories.

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Reply 57

PilgrimOfTruth

Original post by tanisha04

Sorry but..Conservative also lost

Nope. They won. Most seats. Most votes.
Denying that just makes you look foolish

Original post by tanisha04

Conservative was also defeated
Nope. again, most seats, most votes. They beat EVERY OTHER PARTY HANDS DOWN.

Original post by tanisha04

Theresa May is at fault her plan backfired in her face.
Her "plan" was simply to ask the country to give a clear mandate for BrExit. It was important because whoever carries out BrExit will have to do some things we all don't like. It's reasonable therefore to ask for a term of office to do it.
That a MINORITY of the electorate attempted to scupper the BrExit process through tactical voting was frankly pathetic. Those people have weakened our negotiating position and we will all suffer as a result.

Original post by tanisha04

Theresa May needs to step down.
Not in the least. She got the most votes and seats of any other party in the election. She won plain and simple. Whoever was leading the party would have had the same result. The pathetic Remainers would still have voted tactically to try and scupper BrExit.

As I have said to numerous other deluded Labour supporters, you are not helping yourself or your beloved party by being in total denial about who won and who lost this election. Labour scraped only 261 seats which is the same dismal performance they had in the 2010 election. That number is worse when you consider that a load of seats were just the result of tactical voting rather than genuine support for Labour and when you consider that the Tory campaign was pretty poor. Labour, if they were in any sense popular, should have had a runaway victory. They had every opportunity here. The reality is they lost and lost big. You have to come to terms with that.

Keeping Corbyn and Abbott in the party is utterly disastrous and will ensure you will lose the next election just as you lost this one. That would be just ridiculous.

When BrExit is done with and negotiations properly underway and people, esp Remainers accept it is happening, then the voting will be completely different. Labour won't then get the tactical votes they just did and I'm also not convinced they'll get the young vote again as more and more young voters see how they were played like a fiddle with the tuition fees promise.

But hey ho. If you want the Conservatives to keep pawning the Labour party then keep believing you won here and by all means keep the IRA supporting Corbyn and Abbott who wanted to abolish MI5.

Reply 58

monkeyman0121

Original post by Jimbo1234

If you are leader of a major party and lose an election then you step down. EVERY leader in history has done that.
So why hasn't Corbyn?
Is he going to hang on until 2022? And then what? Release the same manifesto in which didn't work now, and won't work then?

And why is not one talking about this point? The man is turning the Labour party into a Union with a dictator at the top.

The better question is why has Theresa May not stepped down? The whole point of this for her was to prove that she will win. She did not and has lost the conservatives some seats. They did not get the majority. Whereas Corbyn has gained many seats for the Labour party and that was one of his aims.

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Reply 59

getfunky!

Why would step down, he was elected by 60%+ of the Labour party membership on two seperate occasions in the face of unending criticism by the media, other parties, and his own peers, which all called him to be "unelectable" meaning he would lose Labour seats with his views. In the face of which he proved that he can handle his own MPs and the media, whilst putting out a stellar manifesto and gaining seats for the Labour - taking seemingly Conservative strongholds such as Kensington.

Bravo to Corbyn and the shadow cabinet, they did well, and given an opportunity for an Autumn general election, no doubt they would capture more seats.