Why hasn't Corbyn stepped down???

If you are leader of a major party and lose an election then you step down. EVERY leader in history has done that.
So why hasn't Corbyn?
Is he going to hang on until 2022? And then what? Release the same manifesto in which didn't work now, and won't work then?

And why is not one talking about this point? The man is turning the Labour party into a Union with a dictator at the top.

I would suggest looking at the public's growing positive opinion of Corbyn and the Labour Party to answer your thread's question.

The next GE will occur earlier than 2022 and the Labour Party will win it. It's just a matter of time. Tories have been in power for a long time now and too many mistakes have been made on their part for them to retain power.

Pahaha, right, where to begin.

The public's view simply shows how misinformed they are about the economy and history. Remember, the public voted Trump in so sometimes the masses are wrong and really stupid.

Labour lied with the policies and bribed everyone yet still lost. Win the youth by saying they could abolish student fees (which is a lie). Win over the poor by blaming the rich for everything and increasing minimum wage (even though the rich pay plenty of tax and increasing minimum wage would be economically disastrous) etc etc.

So please explain how he will win next time? The public has 5 years to get a grasp of basic economics and history, and then realise that everything Corbyn has been preaching is utter nonsense.

Pahaha, right, where to begin.

The public's view simply shows how misinformed they are about the economy and history. Remember, the public voted Trump in so sometimes the masses are wrong and really stupid.

Labour lied with the policies and bribed everyone yet still lost. Win the youth by saying they could abolish student fees (which is a lie). Win over the poor by blaming the rich for everything and increasing minimum wage (even though the rich pay plenty of tax and increasing minimum wage would be economically disastrous) etc etc.

So please explain how he will win next time? The public has 5 years to get a grasp of basic economics and history, and then realise that everything Corbyn has been preaching is utter nonsense.

A "dictator" that got elected by the party members twice.


If he does step down it will now be o
n the labour left's own terms. This election has strengthened Corbyn considerably. The right of the party will have to suck it up and do what the left did when they were in charge of the party and get behind the party line if they want to be prominent in the direction the party takes. MPs like Chucka seem willing to do this which is good. The Labour PLP can not keep trying to destroy the left.

However I don't think it was totally right of him to fire the mps the other day when he defied the party whip 40 times or so

He defied the wip as a backbench MP, he was never a minister. You can't have shadow front bench MPs rebelling all the time, he did what any Leader of the opposition, or government would do.

resign? why?

he's leading the opinion polls.
he's more popular than ever.
he took away the Tory majority.

In another election, he would win, maybe with a majority of 10-15 seats.

he was cheered at Glastonbury. Would May have got a similar reception?

if he resigns, it has to be for some health reason, since he is the man of the moment now. he'd be a fool to resign now.

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/
Polls are not 100% accurate and never can be, but then he's been ahead since the election.

"Pahaha, right, where to begin." Couldnt put it better in response to your statement. May I ask if you're a relatively rich middle class person because by your response that the rich pay plenty of tax ( they don't especially companies) it seems like it. If you were struggling you would understand how someone like Corbyn presents hope. I love Corbyn and think he's the best thing to happen to this country in ages. We need someone to stand up to 'maybot' and her austerity, and her plans which will ruin Britain on the world platform and this is coming from someone who liked Cameron in 2010. ( although not 2015). I do think that there should be certain compromises e.g. tuition fees put back to £3-5000 which is a fair amount to pay that allows for the amount of students currently to go but also decreases the debt they owe. How is it fair that people go on about ' it's not fair on the next generation to raise tax and anti austerity will ruin them all' coming from people who got free education and housing that anyone nowadays could afford. It's not a bribe it's a truth. Even the architect of the tuition fees under Blair said that now they are unsustainable. We keep increasing them and people pay less back, how is that sustainable on students and government? Are we going to tax graduates so heavily they end up relatively poor or are we going to sell the debts off to private companies who will act as if it's normal debt and get bailiffs out and reposess. How? Theresa May is the only lost here with so many u turns she's going in bloody circles. Labour costed their manifesto. Conservatives didn't. They attacked the elderly and the poor. Its britain for the rich and wealthy only under conservatives. She is being attacked from within her own party. How can she not be resigning?!! I think it's very offensive to label Labour supporters stupid. And the media campaign against Corbyn don't get me started. Who cares if a 68 year old man forgets one figure and needs to look at his ipad. You would rather that than him make a wrong statement. Even history teachers forget facts from time to time. And his nuclear campaign has been totally misconstrued. Yes he wants to remove trident but he respects that that won't happen. He is simply saying he will not fired first. On q time no one gave him a chance to say he wouldn't retaliate if we had a missile coming towards us. No one wants to fire a nuclear weapon first. Thays all he's saying. And with the ira thing, it's not about supporting them, it's about supporting peace. If trump met with Isis to try and agree peace terms you wouldn't say ' trump supports Isis you would see him as someone trying to achieve peace. Thays all Corbyn has done and I think it's something we can all admire. Phew rant over.

You have your opinion of the Labour Party, others believe that the true left represents hope. The Reds are gaining momentum and support. The trend will continue as Brexit plans continue to be watered down, more consequences of austerity occur and the struggle of power and ruthlessness of the Conservative Party becomes public. It's just that time when power is handed to the other party. 2-3 general elections later Tories will be back in power, probably with Ruth Davidson. That'll last 5 years or so until Labour takes over, and on and on it'll go. Reality.

If you are leader of a major party and lose an election then you step down. EVERY leader in history has done that.
So why hasn't Corbyn?
Is he going to hang on until 2022? And then what? Release the same manifesto in which didn't work now, and won't work then?

And why is not one talking about this point? The man is turning the Labour party into a Union with a dictator at the top.

Wow, what a wall of text to so few lines. This will be fun reading!

Haha, no I'm not rich, merely employed with an understanding of the tax code and NATIONAL INSURANCE. You will need to google the latter otherwise you'll be in for a shock when you're a bit older.

Corbyn does not present hope in anyway, merely false promises akin to payday loans. They sound great now but will **** you over hard once reality lands?
How do I know this? Because that is where the UK is right now thanks to the last Labour govt doing exactly the same thing Corbyn is promising!
Blair came in promising all these changes on borrowed money, yet not one of those changes generated a net profit from the money borrowed to make the said change. The result? This "hardship", recession, and austerity the UK has been in for over a decade.
It's amazing how you Labour folks forget about that bit

The only truth is why does the govt need so much money nowadays? What is eating into the billions of tax they get (the tax mainly from the rich who ironically are the least likely to use the money they contribute....but again, you reds forget that part)? The answer is the NHS and benefits. Those two monsters are destroying our country due to no govt having the balls to fix one of them, let alone both.
And red Jerry just wants to make it worse by ignoring them and borrowing more money. Great.

Here's a solution to the student problem; have less students. Abolish funding to all the crap unis and all the fake degree and use the money saved on that to waiver all future costs. All those kids who were going to do crap degrees, end up with tons of debt and no job can instead learn a trade e.g. plumbing, or one of those areas we apparently have a "skill shortage" in and need EU migrants to fill.
Oh right, too obvious?

Tories attacked the elderly by promising 4 times more on care funding? Wow, please attack me! Thats a hell of a deal (or did you just read what the Daily Mirror said?)

Well Labour supporters are morally horrible for backing terror supporters and bigots like Abbot and McDonnell. To vote Labour means you support people who back the Little Red Book. Oh, but apparently a stern woman is worse!

If red Jerry does not have the balls to use Trident then he is spineless and a coward. That is the last trait I want in a leader. He could have clarified his stance hundreds of times over the DECADES he's been an MP, but he never has, ergo why would he?


Now go read a history book rather than the Guardian or Reddit. You Labour folks need to brush up on facts and history.



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Corbyn is just playing the "Grandad who spoils his grandchildren" in a time of austerity. It's just an emotional ploy and he has not given a second's thought to the horrific consequences of his actions.
If people believe his lies and decide not to read a history book or talk to anyone who lived through the 70's then he might get in. But it would just be proof about why democracy in the West needs to change as the dumb masses can outnumber the informed.

Ruthlessness of the Tories? Wtf are you bleating about? Go learn what an economy is and what Labour did to it for over a decade. This is about fixing a shitstorm that the last idiot left the country in.


This is what happens;

This has happened for decades.........You are not new, or smart, or revolutionary in your thinking, just gullible and ignorant of history. That cycle above has been happening since the 60's.

You come on very strongly for no apparent reason. Drink some herbal tea. If you don't consider cutting benefits for the disabled as an example of a ruthless behaviour than I feel sorry for people that know you. As your reputation on this forum shows, you're not a good debater. You try to force your opinions onto other people in a disrespectful manner and that's why our exchange ends here.

I see that there is still an absolute ton of denial in the Labour camp which is staggering. There are people here who think that chirpy sound bites and the endless chanting of "Oh Jeremy Corbyn" is something that will win an election.
They are caught up with the false self congratulatory nonsense pervading Labourites at this time and don't see the harm that is doing to themselves and the party's future chances.

A recap is in order.

Labour, whilst achieving a better result than some predicted, nevertheless had an utterly abysmal result at this election. The fact needs to be faced and faced head on by all concerned.

The Tories had a dire campaign almost to the extent that Labour had no opposition at this election

The Remainers voted tactically to try and scupper BrExit. They were NOT voting for Corbyn or the Labour manifesto, they voted to stop the Tories getting a majority simple as.

The youth were bribed and fell for the vapourware promised of free tuition fees and no student debts and some of them illegally voted more than once.

Even with all of the above support and crutches, Labour could only secure 262 seats which is more or less the same number they achieved 7 years ago in the 2010 election (258 seats).

What it means is that Labour have gone backwards since 2010.

The ridiculous posturing of Corbynites is simply crazy and misplaced. Anyone who doesn't see how catastrophically bad Labour's election result was, and how very far they are from ever getting into power, is frankly utterly deluded.

Not that it needed any explanation but as it happens a dedicated Labour Project/Group called "Labour Roadmap" has now published its full analysis of the election results. You can read it here:

http://labourroadmap.org.uk/publications/ge17/report.pdf

I strongly urge Labour supporters to look at it and have a sincere look at the situation. Some of the comments in this Labour report are:

"despite electoral progress Labour has neither a majority, nor is it yet in a realistic position to form a government without another election and further gains."

"The situation in Scotland must be treated as a crisis for the party. The trends are significantly different than other regions, and emergence of a two-party dynamic in Scotland between the SNP and the Conservatives will only help deflate Labour’s vote through future tactical voting"

"The reality of the First Past the Post system has meant that Labour has failed to stitch a coalition from across the nation and converted success into results. In headline numbers, we are in territory that we haven’t been in since Gaitskell leadership into the 1959 general election.

The added worry is that we are no longer in the 1950s - minor parties still take a larger share of the popular vote despite the collapse of minor party vote share in this election"


The report concludes by saying that, putting aside the notion of some multi-faceted coalition with all the other parties, Labour's only chance of ever winning another election is to go and target and campaign for 128 specific seats of which they need to swing 82 in their favour.

That's a HUGE task indeed and Corbynites need to take a long hard look at it.

They especially need to look at the facts concerning which demographics the Labour party needs to reach to have any chance at all of getting back into power. Those demographics include the Over 50s. The people with a ton more experience, the people who have seen successive governments come and go. The people WHO DO know about Corbyn's reprehensible history and will not casually sweep it under the carpet. They know his history of supporting the IRA, they know he counted Hamas and Hezbollah as his friends. They know he is very anti-EU and that he hates the monarchy and is in no sense of the word a UK patriot. They know he is really an outright Marxist/Communist.

All the sound bites in the world are never going to get you into No 10.

You HAVE to deal with the Corbyn problem.

The Labour party itself is in utter chaos. Prior to the election there were some 100 MPs poised ready and waiting to oust Corbyn when he lost the election.

A few days ago, 50 Labour MPs defied the whip lead by Ummuna when he tried to table a motion to oppose proper BrExit and stay in the Single Market.
The party is a split mass of left and middle ground politics which can not be reconciled. The seat gains in the election have unfortunately muddied the waters and made Corbyn look artificially more popular than he is. The truth is that millions of people in the UK hate what Corbyn stands for, hate his dreamworld socialist nonsense, hate his repeated sympathies with terrorists, hate his Marxist/Communist ideologies and all they stand for.

A big Labour split is coming. It is absolutely inevitable. The longer it is put off, the further the party drifts from any chance of ever coming to power.

Don't get me wrong. The Tories equally have problems, they will undoubtedly replace Teresa May with a new leader, and that's fine, they will find one. But make no mistake here . . .

The Tories DO NOT have any problem with the Labour party.

The Tories are NOT in any danger of Labour winning an election

Labour are way way behind the Tories and it doesn't look like that situation will change any time soon.

In fact it is likely to get worse. Why? Because:

1. In this election Labour had no opposition as the Tory campaign was non-existent. Now, the Tories will embark on a huge campaign and will thereby strengthen their position. They will secure their core seats and swing more Labour voters to the Conservatives

2. More and more young people are realising that they were duped by Corbyn and his false promises. He isn't going to eradicate student debt at all, even his own secretary told the nation this week that it would cost £100 billion and that it was now just an "ambition" rather than a reality. Neither is Corbyn going to help the Remain youngsters with BrExit. Corbyn hates the EU and wants out. His pandering to the Remain camp during the election was duplicitous and a sham.
Thus all in all I expect Labour to lose some of the more switched on and savvy young voters before the next election.

3. As BrExit progresses and milestones are achieved, the Remainers will realise that there is nothing to be gained from trying to vote tactically. When it's clear that they have been unable to un-democratically prevent BrExit, they will focus their efforts elsewhere. Thus Labour will NOT have the crutch they had this election of Remainers voting tactically.

4. The Labour supporters that are in denial over the election result and who will simply ignore the facts and go on chanting "Oh Jeremy Corbyn" will increasingly alienate the demographics that Labour desperately needs to reach. The true working class, the over 50s and so on. These people aren't interested in the affluent well-off youth or the militant Communist rebels. Thus the Tories will increasingly secure these vital votes.

There is and always has been one singular problem facing the Labour party. One problem preventing it from gaining the ground it needs to. One problem preventing it from getting to No 10.

That problem is . . .

Jeremy Corbyn

Who he his, what he represents, the reprehensible history he brings with him and tries desperately to deny, and the set of Marxist/Communist ideologies he would like to see implemented in the UK, are all aspects that the UK populous, in the main, will never ever vote for.

Simple fact.

Oust Corbyn, or face repeated election defeat, over and over and over.

Wake up PineMartin, for your party's sake !

It wasn't anywhere near a strong performance. This is the same silly denial.
Corbyn only got 262 ffs ! No more than 7 years ago. Which part of that is so difficult for Corbynites to understand ?!!

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It's the equivalent of putting your son in a school race except that he's recently sprained his ankle and has been limping around and practicing hard for the race. No-one expected him to be able to finish the race at all, but he did, but out of 20 other pupils he finishes 12th.

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The raw facts are that Labour are 57 seats behind the Tories and that was WITH a ton of extra support that they usually would not have.

There is no getting away from those facts. They are irrefutable.




What are you talking about???

Polls don't count towards election results ! Only votes do.

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It's up to Labour to resolve the spectacular mess they are in. They can delude themselves and jump up and down about how well little Jimmy did in the race with a sprained ankle, or they can face facts and see that they are literally years and years away from being in a position to win an election.