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    Just to add...

    It really annoyed me when I thought I might get ACC, that someone with BBB in drama, media and psych would get in ahead of me. I'm sorry but there is a massive difference and B's in those subjects do not even match a C in the sciences.

    Unfortunately its about playing the system these days, and I wish I had done that from the start rather than wasting a year as a result of doing subjects I was interested in.
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    (Original post by Wise One)
    Look here: http://www.education.guardian.co.uk...1285751,00.html

    And you'll see that the so-called "Mickey Mouse" Subjects have lower % getting A's than those doing Maths, Chemistry, Physics, French etc.

    Therefore, "Mickey Mouse" subjects = not easy.
    Just laying that argument to a rest once and for all . . .

    Further Maths overall 'A' grades: 58.9%

    Sociology overall 'A' grades: 18.3%

    Does anyone really believe that attaining an A grade in sociology is harder than getting one in further maths?

    Didn't think so
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    (Original post by piginapoke)
    That proves nothing, you have to look at who is entering for these subjects.
    Uhmm that's exactly the point that I was trying to make, that using A grade statistics to prove subjects are harder is heavily skewed because weaker students tend to gravitate towards the slightly easier subjects.

    Not that I believe the so-called 'mickey-mouse' subjects are worthless; sociology is well important to society. But I don't think too highly of people who pick up these subjects to get into uni easily, with no actual interest in them.

    (Original post by The Chameleon)
    Does anybody think that we are going to become a nation of psychiatrists, drama teachers, actors/actresses, care workers etc due to our A-level choices. Etc psychology, media studies, sociology, the cop out subjects (also referred to as mickey mouse subjects)

    What does everybodu think?
    Okay firstly: psychology is definitely NOT a mickey mouse subject(!) *rolls eyes* Anyone who thinks that is just a narrow-minded moron(!) Sorry, but true.

    Without psychology, society as we know it would develop and progress at very small rates. If we can't understand human behaviour, thought patterns and so forth, we can never learn and in which case, God help the world(!) You cannot argue that psychology is not important in our lives.

    Secondly, you should get your facts right. To be a psychiatrist, you have to be a fully qualified doctor, ie you need a degree in medicine. There is a difference between psychiatrists and psychologists, you know. Shows how much you know(!) :rolleyes: You know it makes me wonder if those of you who diss psychology subjects all the time actually know what it is?(!) *rolls eyes*

    Yeh(!) :rolleyes: -Obviously, us social scientists and creative types are so unknowledgable and "mickey mouse"(!) HAHA(!) *falls over laughing at the assumption* 'I think NOT.

    -Another thing I actually wonder sometimes: if you guys with supposed "superior intellect" who think stuff like that actually know what you're talking about(!) *rolls eyes*

    I say no more.


    Skye.

    [QUOTE=CentGas]Just to add...

    I'm sorry but there is a massive difference and B's in those subjects do not even match a C in the sciences.

    QUOTE]


    A load of BULL and you know it. Perhaps they're just better at what they do than you at your sciences(!) :rolleyes:

    Everyone has different strengths and weaknesses. Some people find science doss-easy, some don't. Big wow. It's so typical that when someone does better than you at more creative and arts-based subjects that you assume it's just easy and you're being persecuted. Well, I don't think so(!)

    You know, I'd love to see you try an arts-based course, I bet you'd fail before you started(!) *rolls eyes* The competition for one thing is intense plus you actually need talent and skills? It's not like reading a load of textbooks and absorbing the facts like for traditional "academic" subjects. Plus, I'll say this again and again if I have to: We do ACTUALLY HAVE TO THINK(!) And not to mention, the huge workload! Plus we have creativity.

    (and before you dismiss me off as being thick, I'm not, okay?)
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    We have been through this before, but it's not fair to call them Mickey Mouse subjects when it's still just as difficult to get a top grade in as anything else. I only got a C in Media Studies and I'm not a moron.

    Anyway stuff the economy :P I hope people continue to be put off by learning French because it'll make it all the more easier for me to land a job !

    I'm more concerned that people are leaving school with very little understanding of grammar. I bet I've made mistakes in this post now. I suppose it'd serve me right.
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    (Original post by lady_V)
    Thats because Chemistry is so damn boring! subject as like Drama, media and psychology are more interesting
    Really? Surely it depends who you are, as to what you find interesting?

    (Original post by ~Skye~)
    Okay firstly: psychology is definitely NOT a mickey mouse subject(!) *rolls eyes*
    As long as you don't suggest it's actually science, that's fine by me.

    (Original post by piginapoke)
    So, there's not really just cause for any ill will I don't think. Maybe a smug feeling of superiority if that's your bag...
    Good point :cool:

    I don't have a problem with psychology, but I do have a problem with media studies - I mean who was doing the jobs that media studies grads are doing now? English grads most likely. I'm very much in favour of returning to 'traditional' subject disciplines in pre-graduate education and leaving the specialism till Master's level.
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    part of the 'problem' imho is that 'soft options' (pls note scare qoutes) offer people more of a chance to be creative in their subject. With an A level english you might be well prepared to do some creative writing, whereas in mathematics youd well need an A at Further Maths in order to have an idea of what's going on in the field. To that extent 'proper' a-levels take much more work and patience than 'soft' options.
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    (Original post by Ian88)
    whereas in mathematics youd well need an A at Further Maths in order to have an idea of what's going on in the field.
    No mate, you need a PhD and even that's not a guarantee you understand what's going on... :eek:
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    (Original post by The Chameleon)
    Does anybody think that we are going to become a nation of psychiatrists, drama teachers, actors/actresses, care workers etc due to our A-level choices. Etc psychology, media studies, sociology, the cop out subjects (also referred to as mickey mouse subjects)
    So true... ! You can add Art to that list.

    I personally, don't think people should be able to take these subjects (maybe with the exeption of Art) at A Level. If someone wanted to go into these fields, they could do so taking other subjects such as Maths and Science.

    (Original post by dieeiervonsatan)
    So true... ! You can add Art to that list.

    I personally, don't think people should be able to take these subjects (maybe with the exeption of Art) at A Level. If someone wanted to go into these fields, they could do so taking other subjects such as Maths and Science.
    that is such a stupid view. What happened to "each to their own"?
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    (Original post by ~Skye~)
    that is such a stupid view. What happened to "each to their own"?
    Simply put I think subjects like Psychology, Media etc are stupid and defy the point of higher education.
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    (Original post by dieeiervonsatan)

    I personally, don't think people should be able to take these subjects (maybe with the exeption of Art) at A Level. If someone wanted to go into these fields, they could do so taking other subjects such as Maths and Science.
    You people are so stupid.

    "Well yes, I want a job in the media - so I'll study Maths, Chemistry, Environmental Science and Biology." BECAUSE THAT REALLY MAKES SENSE.

    "I'd quite like to become an artist - so I'll study Further Maths, Physics and Chemistry." THOSE SUBJECTS ARE REALLY HELPFUL TO MY CAREER.

    "I think acting is the profession for me - so I'll study Geology, Chemistry, Physics and Maths." REALLY HELPFUL CHOICES OF SUBJECTS.
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    We shouldn't complain about more people doing media studies and psychology. Eventually those sectors will become saturated, their skills non-transferrable, and anyone who did sciences/maths can diversify into whichever fields they wish and have the added benefit of being smug

    Remember that almost every modern (even less-so) economic sector has been as a result of mathematicians (we'll include some business types here...I prefer to scowl and say 'statisticians'...) or scientists. I'm sure further fields for successful careers will evolve from science and maths
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    (Original post by Wise One)
    You people are so stupid.

    "Well yes, I want a job in the media - so I'll study Maths, Chemistry, Environmental Science and Biology." BECAUSE THAT REALLY MAKES SENSE.

    "I'd quite like to become an artist - so I'll study Further Maths, Physics and Chemistry." THOSE SUBJECTS ARE REALLY HELPFUL TO MY CAREER.

    "I think acting is the profession for me - so I'll study Geology, Chemistry, Physics and Maths." REALLY HELPFUL CHOICES OF SUBJECTS.
    Please forgive me for being so *stupid*, not all of us can attain such a high level of intelligence as *you*.

    1) I don't see what point you are trying to make...? Nowhere did I say that Further Maths, Physics and Chemistry are the best subjects to be studying to become an artist. My point was that I am in agreement with the original poster, in saying that there are too many artists/ psychologists/ sociologists/etc. Yes, the country does need *some* people doing these professions, but not as many as there currently are. Yes, I still think that if you did want to become a psychologist, that you WILL be better of taking maths and science as opposed to psychology for A Level. The same goes for sociology. You will just have better skills and be more equipt for going into such a field with those subjects than with a Psychology A Level. In my time spent doing AS psychology I have learnt nothing useful at all.

    2) Doing media studies at A Level is likely to do nothing to get you a career in the media. Studying English/History will (fair enough I didnt mention these in my original post).
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    (Original post by CentGas)
    Just to add...

    It really annoyed me when I thought I might get ACC, that someone with BBB in drama, media and psych would get in ahead of me. I'm sorry but there is a massive difference and B's in those subjects do not even match a C in the sciences.

    Unfortunately its about playing the system these days, and I wish I had done that from the start rather than wasting a year as a result of doing subjects I was interested in.
    an A level in drama is just as good as any other subject. It isn't prancing around on a stage and getting to play with lights and costume you know. Drama actually follows more or less the same lines as some aspects of English Literature and i don't hear anyone degrading the value of that qualification. I cannot argue for media and psych because well i don't know anything about those subjects. Do you?

    It appears to me that just because some people are achieving lower grades in subjects they are interested in whilst others are gaining higher grades in so called easy subjects people are unhappy...



    "I think acting is the profession for me - so I'll study Geology, Chemistry, Physics and Maths." REALLY HELPFUL CHOICES OF SUBJECTS.
    true however i believe it is just as easy to become an actor without studying for a Alevel in drama because it doesn't teach you to act or anything. Yes if you have an interest in the subject do it, but don't be like the girl i know who is hating all the theory of theatre studies and plans to do a drama degree to become an actor. Just go audition for a drama school...

    I do agree that taking some of these subjects isn't the way into the career apart from with art related subjects because to get into art college you need loads of work..but i was under the impression that many people take sociology and pyschology alongside other subjects at A level and it doesnt mean they are stupid or want a career in that area..
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    (Original post by dieeiervonsatan)
    Please forgive me for being so *stupid*, not all of us can attain such a high level of intelligence as *you*.

    1) I don't see what point you are trying to make...? Nowhere did I say that Further Maths, Physics and Chemistry are the best subjects to be studying to become an artist. My point was that I am in agreement with the original poster, in saying that there are too many artists/ psychologists/ sociologists/etc. Yes, the country does need *some* people doing these professions, but not as many as there currently are. Yes, I still think that if you did want to become a psychologist, that you WILL be better of taking maths and science as opposed to psychology for A Level. The same goes for sociology. You will just have better skills and be more equipt for going into such a field with those subjects than with a Psychology A Level. In my time spent doing AS psychology I have learnt nothing useful at all.

    2) Doing media studies at A Level is likely to do nothing to get you a career in the media. Studying English/History will (fair enough I didnt mention these in my original post).
    Okay, in responce to (1), I didn't deny that doing maths and science would be the best route for, for example, a psychology degree - because that is plainly obvious. And in my time taking AS psych, I learnt nothing either. Hence, despite me getting 100 UMS in module 2, I am not continuing with it to A2 - primarily because another year would significantly reduce my will to live. For a degree in sociology, however, doing the sciences is pretty pointless - why would anybody not doing Sociology at A-level want to do a Sociology degree? How would they have realised that was what they wanted to do? And how would a working knowledge of Physics/Chemistry help in a Sociology degree. You are also assuming that everyone who does drama, psych etc. will go on to take degrees in that field - not so. Those people who take the so-called 'soft' disciplines seriously will go on to take at degree level, those who don't probably wont get the grades...and if they do, so what? It's hardly going to preticipate a skills crisis in the economy...

    In responce to (2), doing Media studies is equally as likely to get you into a job in the media as History or English. History and English just happen to be broader disciplines.

    What subjects are you doing/have done, out of interest?
    I have finished AS levels in Government and Politics, Economics, History, Philosophy and - pah! - Psychology. Whilst I did well in sciences at GCSE, I don't enjoy them - feeling that there is too much uninteresting waffle around the fascinating bits. However, I am happy to do Arts as they encourage independent thinking, an ability to communicate and creativity. Hurrah!

    And as for being *stupid*, yes I forgive you... (shouldn't the stars have been around 'intellegence' rather than 'you' in the beginning bit?) however, I wasn't getting at you specifically, more at people who are unable to allow others the free will to choose subjects that they enjoy. It'll all balance out eventually. We'll see whether an A-level in Maths that less and less people are passing and is therefore being made more and more easy, will eventually be worth more than Sociology or Communication Studies, disciplines that allow people to develop the skills to understand the dynamics of groups and suchlike...


    RIGHT. RANT OVER.
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    (Original post by Wise One)
    Okay, in responce to (1), I didn't deny that doing maths and science would be the best route for, for example, a psychology degree - because that is plainly obvious. And in my time taking AS psych, I learnt nothing either. Hence, despite me getting 100 UMS in module 2, I am not continuing with it to A2 - primarily because another year would significantly reduce my will to live. For a degree in sociology, however, doing the sciences is pretty pointless - why would anybody not doing Sociology at A-level want to do a Sociology degree? How would they have realised that was what they wanted to do? And how would a working knowledge of Physics/Chemistry help in a Sociology degree. You are also assuming that everyone who does drama, psych etc. will go on to take degrees in that field - not so. Those people who take the so-called 'soft' disciplines seriously will go on to take at degree level, those who don't probably wont get the grades...and if they do, so what? It's hardly going to preticipate a skills crisis in the economy...

    In responce to (2), doing Media studies is equally as likely to get you into a job in the media as History or English. History and English just happen to be broader disciplines.

    What subjects are you doing/have done, out of interest?
    I have finished AS levels in Government and Politics, Economics, History, Philosophy and - pah! - Psychology. Whilst I did well in sciences at GCSE, I don't enjoy them - feeling that there is too much uninteresting waffle around the fascinating bits. However, I am happy to do Arts as they encourage independent thinking, an ability to communicate and creativity. Hurrah!

    And as for being *stupid*, yes I forgive you... (shouldn't the stars have been around 'intellegence' rather than 'you' in the beginning bit?) however, I wasn't getting at you specifically, more at people who are unable to allow others the free will to choose subjects that they enjoy. It'll all balance out eventually. We'll see whether an A-level in Maths that less and less people are passing and is therefore being made more and more easy, will eventually be worth more than Sociology or Communication Studies, disciplines that allow people to develop the skills to understand the dynamics of groups and suchlike...


    RIGHT. RANT OVER.
    nice rant.

    Out of a drama class of 10 only two of us want to do a drama degree (combined with english) and no we don't want to be actors.
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    Please bear in mind that most presentors on the BBC news have degrees in sciences (e.g Chemistry etc...) and history. Not media, if i was applying for a place at uni for a science or history course i would rather have A-levels in atleast 3 of these subjects: Physics, Chemistry, Maths, Biology and/or History. I am sure if i got 3 BBB's with those subjects i would get in over someone else with 3 BBB's which one of those A-levels was media studies, even the media students at my school admit that it is easier than the sciences and maths. Although they say a good reason for media studies is if you are bad at exams you can still pass with coursework, which is the reason i feel that media studies is easier. I imagine that the exams themselves may be difficult but with 80% coursework it makes it so much easier, because you can get feedback from your teacher whilst doing the coursework and not whilst in the exam. So media may be no easy in the sense of the exam papers, but imagine if media was 100% exam papers, you would be sitting around 5 hours of exams for it, and they would(/should) not be easy. Then the value of media would rise, and people would not call it a mickey mouse subject, but in my mind it is because of the reasons i just gave.
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    (Original post by Wise One)
    For a degree in sociology, however, doing the sciences is pretty pointless - why would anybody not doing Sociology at A-level want to do a Sociology degree? How would they have realised that was what they wanted to do? And how would a working knowledge of Physics/Chemistry help in a Sociology degree.
    Not pointless at all. You can decide you want to do sociology by simply reading and by being interested in various sociological issues (similar to how someone would become interested in Politics for example). Knowledge of Science provides you with analytical skills, problem solving skills, application of existing knowledge to new problems, and (I know people are going to be unhappy with this comment) generally makes you use your brain more than Sociology would.

    (Original post by Wise One)
    In responce to (2), doing Media studies is equally as likely to get you into a job in the media as History or English. History and English just happen to be broader disciplines.
    Disagree. I still think a person with an English degree will be favoured by employers than someone with one in Media.

    (Original post by Wise One)
    What subjects are you doing/have done, out of interest?
    For AS: Maths, Biology, Chemistry, German and Psychology. 100% in 2nd and third Psych paper (and in a few others).
    GCSE: Maths, Stats, Double Science, English Lit, English Lang, German, Russian, Art, Photography, Graphic Products.

    (Original post by Wise One)
    I wasn't getting at you specifically, more at people who are unable to allow others the free will to choose subjects that they enjoy.
    England is one of the few countries in Europe where subjects such as Psychology, Sociology and Photography are allowed to be studied. In Russia for example, everyone takes the same subjects, and hence the system is much fairer when it comes to university applications. Since everyone has done the same subjects (easier comparison), admission is much fairer. You don't have this problem of "oh this subject is easier than this one though, this person has this subject and that one hasn't so lets choose him/her, oh but this person had this exam board, which is a much harder one, so lets choose them over so and so".

    Also, when applying for science subjects, you don't have the problem where some subjects aren't included or "accepted" by universities, because they have too much of the coursework component. At least, with the other system, those subjects that aren't included (like Art), aren't included for EVERY candidate, much fairer! Alternatively, to make it even fairer (so people aren't wasting their time taking some subjects like General studies/media/theatre studies/art, it would be even better to just not allow these subjects to be studied in the first place).

    (Original post by Wise One)
    We'll see whether an A-level in Maths that less and less people are passing and is therefore being made more and more easy, will eventually be worth more than Sociology or Communication Studies, disciplines that allow people to develop the skills to understand the dynamics of groups and suchlike...
    I still do not agree and I am still of the opinion, that knowledge of these subjects is pretty much useless, they can be studied as a hobby. People can take paint at home in their own time, or read Sociology books, whatever. That's all great (for the record, this is what I do). I still don't think that these subjects teach anything useful, that sciences don't teach better, with the exception of perhaps creativity. At that, I don't think anyone will suffer too much if there were a shortage of creative people.

    (Original post by sparklyteacosie)
    an A level in drama is just as good as any other subject. It isn't prancing around on a stage and getting to play with lights and costume you know. Drama actually follows more or less the same lines as some aspects of English Literature and i don't hear anyone degrading the value of that qualification. I cannot argue for media and psych because well i don't know anything about those subjects. Do you?
    An A Level in drama isn't as good as an A Level in any other subject. That just isn't the case and never will be. Yes I can argue about Psychology, I have taken in. In any case, you don't have to take a subject to get a general feel/idea of what it involves. You don't have to take Further Maths to be able to say it is harder than most A Levels and requires more thinking. Similarly, I don't have to take Media, I can just go to the Media Studies Department in my school and see the kind of things they are doing (not all that much) or talk to people that have taken it.

    (Original post by sparklyteacosie)
    It appears to me that just because some people are achieving lower grades in subjects they are interested in whilst others are gaining higher grades in so called easy subjects people are unhappy...
    Yes, because I still think those are the subjects that count (in terms of importance). It is easy to get good grades in subjects like Psychology. All you need to do, is memorise a bit of stuff (like the Freudian rubbish - why is that even taught?!), then use your knowledge of every day life and common sense and you've passed your exam. It's not that amazing and not that much of an achievement.
 
 
 
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