Why do Muslims tend to vote Labour?
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Original post by Dodgypirate
What about the anti-Semitic proposition?
I can remember the (ex?) head of the NUS was Muslim + Labour + Anti-Semitic.
I can remember the (ex?) head of the NUS was Muslim + Labour + Anti-Semitic.
Labour are not anti-Semitic, it's just right wing spin on statements, similar to how Corbyn was a terrorist sympathiser. I don't agree with Ken, but no matter how badly worded his statements are, I don't for a second believe he is an anti-Semite.
The premise of your proposition is stupid either way, I haven't even seen a troll post "I'm voting labour due to them being anti-Semite", let alone actual voters.
Original post by BigBadAsh
I don't think many people realise Arabs are included as a Semitic language...
Would be rather backwards to be a Muslim and Anti-Semitic, considering the beloved prophet was a Semite.
With regards to your actual question,
I think it has more to do with social upbringing and influences.
You are a product of your environment
The reason I say that is the majority of the Muslim demographic in the UK come from Southern Asian, working class low-middle income families, including myself.
This results in the majority of Muslim families possibly being lower side of the socio-economic spectrum,
therefore identifying with the party that mostly fits the working man, or meets more of their needs.
Though, this trend is changing, as 1st generation Muslim migrants (our parents and grandparents) start to become older and 2nd and 3rd generation Muslims (born and raised here) begin to take the reigns.
This is why we're seeing steady change in the education/skills of Asian Muslims (again who make up the majority in the UK), and also income status, and their socio-economic group, resulting in possibly voting for an alternative party that more meets their needs.
Basically, my observation as a Labour-voting young British Muslim, is most of us are working class, and exposed to those sorts of environments. The fact that they're/we are Muslim doesn't really come into it, it didn't formulate my political view in the slightest, despite being relatively faithful - It has more to do with socio-economics, just like any other ethnic group.
However, I could be speaking a load of tosh and it could just be people voting for who they want
But that's my two cents
Would be rather backwards to be a Muslim and Anti-Semitic, considering the beloved prophet was a Semite.
With regards to your actual question,
I think it has more to do with social upbringing and influences.
You are a product of your environment
The reason I say that is the majority of the Muslim demographic in the UK come from Southern Asian, working class low-middle income families, including myself.
This results in the majority of Muslim families possibly being lower side of the socio-economic spectrum,
therefore identifying with the party that mostly fits the working man, or meets more of their needs.
Though, this trend is changing, as 1st generation Muslim migrants (our parents and grandparents) start to become older and 2nd and 3rd generation Muslims (born and raised here) begin to take the reigns.
This is why we're seeing steady change in the education/skills of Asian Muslims (again who make up the majority in the UK), and also income status, and their socio-economic group, resulting in possibly voting for an alternative party that more meets their needs.
Basically, my observation as a Labour-voting young British Muslim, is most of us are working class, and exposed to those sorts of environments. The fact that they're/we are Muslim doesn't really come into it, it didn't formulate my political view in the slightest, despite being relatively faithful - It has more to do with socio-economics, just like any other ethnic group.
However, I could be speaking a load of tosh and it could just be people voting for who they want
But that's my two cents
Thanks
Original post by Dodgypirate
Because it's anti-Semitic?
Of course, I've witnessed many vote Tory, Lib Dem, Green, etc... but they mostly gravitate towards Labour.
Or maybe it's because Corbyn is the leader?
I thought most Muslims are quite conservative/religious?
Of course, I've witnessed many vote Tory, Lib Dem, Green, etc... but they mostly gravitate towards Labour.
Or maybe it's because Corbyn is the leader?
I thought most Muslims are quite conservative/religious?
Oh look, another anti-Muslim hate thread
Nice try implying that Muslims are anti-Semitic, but try again. Muslims, like the general population, support a range of political parties but they tend to be more likely to be working class so they tend to vote Labour. That's it.
Original post by Dodgypirate
Because it's anti-Semitic?
Of course, I've witnessed many vote Tory, Lib Dem, Green, etc... but they mostly gravitate towards Labour.
Or maybe it's because Corbyn is the leader?
I thought most Muslims are quite conservative/religious?
Of course, I've witnessed many vote Tory, Lib Dem, Green, etc... but they mostly gravitate towards Labour.
Or maybe it's because Corbyn is the leader?
I thought most Muslims are quite conservative/religious?
I am a Muslim, and as you can probably tell from my avatar, I support Labour.
However, (almost) all of the people I know In my Muslim community are naturally Tory supporters. Your experience has obviously been different.
I don't know what your talking about with regards to anti-semitism. I don't know any Muslims who are anti-semitic. OK, some members of the Labour party have had some issues with anti-semitism, and it's a stupid thing to do, but it is definitely not a party wide problem...
Original post by mashbbk
Labour are not anti-Semitic, it's just right wing spin on statements, similar to how Corbyn was a terrorist sympathiser. I don't agree with Ken, but no matter how badly worded his statements are, I don't for a second believe he is an anti-Semite.
The premise of your proposition is stupid either way, I haven't even seen a troll post "I'm voting labour due to them being anti-Semite", let alone actual voters.
The premise of your proposition is stupid either way, I haven't even seen a troll post "I'm voting labour due to them being anti-Semite", let alone actual voters.
Please watch this: James O'Brien on LBC.
http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/james-why-labour-doesnt-understand-anti-semitism/
(edited 6 years ago)
Original post by JMR2017
I am a Muslim, and as you can probably tell from my avatar, I support Labour.
However, (almost) all of the people I know In my Muslim community are naturally Tory supporters. Your experience has obviously been different.
I don't know what your talking about with regards to anti-semitism. I don't know any Muslims who are anti-semitic. OK, some members of the Labour party have had some issues with anti-semitism, and it's a stupid thing to do, but it is definitely not a party wide problem...
However, (almost) all of the people I know In my Muslim community are naturally Tory supporters. Your experience has obviously been different.
I don't know what your talking about with regards to anti-semitism. I don't know any Muslims who are anti-semitic. OK, some members of the Labour party have had some issues with anti-semitism, and it's a stupid thing to do, but it is definitely not a party wide problem...
There are pretty tangible arguments that it is...
Baroness Julia Neuberger and Lord Levy have discussed it.
And then maybe watch James O'Brien discuss it on LBC.
http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/james-why-labour-doesnt-understand-anti-semitism/
I'd be interested to see statistics on this to give some fact to the discussion.
I think there's definitely been a change in strategy about targeting Muslims from the Conservatives at least.
For a while under David Cameron the Conservatives were actively chasing the Muslim vote. It was part of Cameron's general strategy of detoxifying the Conservative party and looking for voters in new demographics. They had some natural selling points to Muslims - being in favour of the family, fairly socially conservative and pro small business and self employed.
Then after UKIP started increasing their vote, the Conservatives started to try and compete for UKIP voters by becoming more actively anti-immigrant and populist over fears of terrorism. The Conservatives fought the London Mayoral elections in 2016 with a very overt dog whistle tactic of smearing Sadiq Khan by trying to link him to terrorism and it is obvious what the link they were trying to play up in voters minds was. They have also tried to draw a dividing line between them and Labour over support for military intervention in the Middle East as now the Labour party leadership clearly rejects the Blairite approach to foreign policy.
I think this makes it a lot harder for the Conservatives to appeal to Muslims in the current climate. With regular terrorist acts around the world carried out by Muslim terror groups, it means Muslims in the UK are always feeling on the defensive and made to feel guilty for being Muslim - the moment something happens, the internet is full of anti-Muslim ranting, right wing commentators are bashing Muslims, and although the Conservative party isn't directly propagating that, you get the feeling they are not averse to trying to exploit that view.
For a Muslim community in the UK that feels encircled and that its trying to be made to feel unwelcome by sections of UK society, don't underestimate the extent that toxifies the Tory brand. Tactics like trying to link Jeremy Corbyn to Muslim extremists as a way of discrediting him, overtly supporting military action overseas yet also cosying up to regimes like the Saudis that many Muslims in the UK will regard as distasteful, and using 'anti-Semitism' as a smear against 'the left' for supporting the Palestinian cause, are all tactics that may gain traction amongst a certain demographic of non-Muslims, but will turn Muslim voters off.
I think there's definitely been a change in strategy about targeting Muslims from the Conservatives at least.
For a while under David Cameron the Conservatives were actively chasing the Muslim vote. It was part of Cameron's general strategy of detoxifying the Conservative party and looking for voters in new demographics. They had some natural selling points to Muslims - being in favour of the family, fairly socially conservative and pro small business and self employed.
Then after UKIP started increasing their vote, the Conservatives started to try and compete for UKIP voters by becoming more actively anti-immigrant and populist over fears of terrorism. The Conservatives fought the London Mayoral elections in 2016 with a very overt dog whistle tactic of smearing Sadiq Khan by trying to link him to terrorism and it is obvious what the link they were trying to play up in voters minds was. They have also tried to draw a dividing line between them and Labour over support for military intervention in the Middle East as now the Labour party leadership clearly rejects the Blairite approach to foreign policy.
I think this makes it a lot harder for the Conservatives to appeal to Muslims in the current climate. With regular terrorist acts around the world carried out by Muslim terror groups, it means Muslims in the UK are always feeling on the defensive and made to feel guilty for being Muslim - the moment something happens, the internet is full of anti-Muslim ranting, right wing commentators are bashing Muslims, and although the Conservative party isn't directly propagating that, you get the feeling they are not averse to trying to exploit that view.
For a Muslim community in the UK that feels encircled and that its trying to be made to feel unwelcome by sections of UK society, don't underestimate the extent that toxifies the Tory brand. Tactics like trying to link Jeremy Corbyn to Muslim extremists as a way of discrediting him, overtly supporting military action overseas yet also cosying up to regimes like the Saudis that many Muslims in the UK will regard as distasteful, and using 'anti-Semitism' as a smear against 'the left' for supporting the Palestinian cause, are all tactics that may gain traction amongst a certain demographic of non-Muslims, but will turn Muslim voters off.
It's because Labour are a left wing, socialist party, that encourages affirmative action and equal treatment of religions, while at the same time appeasing Islam and ignoring Christianity. Labour never criticises Islam. When you think of Labour you think your benefits will be protected, or even increased, and a huge number of Muslim families are on benefits. The majority of Muslim women don't work.
And then there is the biggest reason - Labour and other left wing parties specifically cater to minorities since they make up a real large bulk of the vote in the 21st century. You will never hear Labour lay the blame on Islam or Muslims for anything. They do their best to uphold multiculturalism and always go on about "Real Islam". They always feel the need to fight racism, Islamaphobia, misogyny, so of course this is in Muslim and ethnic minority interests but it buries the real problems that this country faces with Muslims and Muslim immigration. In contrast, Labour have no problems throwing traditional Christianity practiced by whites in to the gutter. This pushes many white Christians away who feel alienated in a country that their ancestors built and made great.
Now, to bring some anecdotal evidence to the table. Of all the Muslims I know, I know of none who voted other than Labour. Most Muslims I speak to have nothing good to say about the conservatives or UKIP. So I'm pretty confident that Labour have at least 75% of the Muslim vote.
And then there is the biggest reason - Labour and other left wing parties specifically cater to minorities since they make up a real large bulk of the vote in the 21st century. You will never hear Labour lay the blame on Islam or Muslims for anything. They do their best to uphold multiculturalism and always go on about "Real Islam". They always feel the need to fight racism, Islamaphobia, misogyny, so of course this is in Muslim and ethnic minority interests but it buries the real problems that this country faces with Muslims and Muslim immigration. In contrast, Labour have no problems throwing traditional Christianity practiced by whites in to the gutter. This pushes many white Christians away who feel alienated in a country that their ancestors built and made great.
Now, to bring some anecdotal evidence to the table. Of all the Muslims I know, I know of none who voted other than Labour. Most Muslims I speak to have nothing good to say about the conservatives or UKIP. So I'm pretty confident that Labour have at least 75% of the Muslim vote.
(edited 6 years ago)
Original post by Dodgypirate
Because it's anti-Semitic?
Of course, I've witnessed many vote Tory, Lib Dem, Green, etc... but they mostly gravitate towards Labour.
Or maybe it's because Corbyn is the leader?
I thought most Muslims are quite conservative/religious?
Of course, I've witnessed many vote Tory, Lib Dem, Green, etc... but they mostly gravitate towards Labour.
Or maybe it's because Corbyn is the leader?
I thought most Muslims are quite conservative/religious?
no its not because they're anti semitic (and they're not) , and I think the claim in general is based on people you may know. For most people religious views do not impact on who they vote for, there could be a few reasons why they would vote labour
-Corbyn believes in peaceful solutions and is very clear on that, he does not carry a destructive vibe.
- The great repeal bill is opposed by labour, which for some is good as it could mean human rights laws remain safe, a clear example of tories bashing human right laws is the recent statement from may saying she would scrap laws that "protect" terrorists, the links between terrorism and islam are present in the media and as a result scare many muslims, especially men and women who wear islamic attire as they are easily recognisable.
-A lot of muslims have migrated to the UK in the last 100 odd years and are mostly working class/middle class, and the prospect of free university for their children is something that draws them to labour.
-Then comes common sense, the obvious leader between may and corbyn is corbyn meaning AT THE MOMENT Labour is rather popular, but with such little time their campaigning wasn't as effective as it could've been.
I myself know of many people who are muslim who voted conservative and lib dem, the reasons behind some people voting lib dem is that they thought there could be a second referendum if they voted for them, (they clearly didn't know that libs would never form a majority gvmt) other people voted tories because they saw them as the only people who could deliver brexit. I then went on to ask them what media outlets they read and they pretty much replied the same " daily mail , the sun and other tabloids", it's clear that they were brainwashed by the ludicrous right wing agenda most tabloids have.
so to summarise my points
-It's hard to say who most muslims vote for, it's a matter of who you talk to.
-Who cares who they vote for, (surely everyone is entitled to their own political views?)
-The media still put this election to shi* either way, labour could've easily had a majority if it wasnt for the right wing agenda of most of the tabloids.
PLEASE NOTE I HAVE MERELY EXPRESSED MY VIEWS (SO YES YOU CAN DISAGREE), SOME CONCLUSIONS MAY BE WRONG AS I DON'T HAPPEN TO FACT CHECK EVERYTHING I SAY.
I didn't vote
Original post by Dodgypirate
Because it's anti-Semitic?
Of course, I've witnessed many vote Tory, Lib Dem, Green, etc... but they mostly gravitate towards Labour.
Or maybe it's because Corbyn is the leader?
I thought most Muslims are quite conservative/religious?
Of course, I've witnessed many vote Tory, Lib Dem, Green, etc... but they mostly gravitate towards Labour.
Or maybe it's because Corbyn is the leader?
I thought most Muslims are quite conservative/religious?
because it says in the quran that if you dont vote labour then you'll go to hell. it's apart of the 5 pillars.
Maybe because a lot of us are socialist? The conservatives are creating a very capitalistic society which is basically seen has bad.
muslim tory checking in
Original post by Dodgypirate
Please watch this: James O'Brien on LBC.
http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/james-why-labour-doesnt-understand-anti-semitism/
http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/james-why-labour-doesnt-understand-anti-semitism/
Haven't got around to listening to this yet, will try to remember to do so tonight!
As a muslim, I wonder this too
Are you all being serious ,look deep within yourselves ,you know why Muslims vote labour ! ! !
Original post by Dodgypirate
Because it's anti-Semitic?
Not sure what's worse here, the unsubstantiated claim that Labour is anti-Semitic or the idea that Muslims would base their electoral decisions on the party allegedly being so.
Of course, I've witnessed many vote Tory, Lib Dem, Green, etc... but they mostly gravitate
Do they know you watch them vote?
Original post by mashbbk
Labour are not anti-Semitic, it's just right wing spin on statements, similar to how Corbyn was a terrorist sympathiser. I don't agree with Ken, but no matter how badly worded his statements are, I don't for a second believe he is an anti-Semite.
The premise of your proposition is stupid either way, I haven't even seen a troll post "I'm voting labour due to them being anti-Semite", let alone actual voters.
The premise of your proposition is stupid either way, I haven't even seen a troll post "I'm voting labour due to them being anti-Semite", let alone actual voters.
Yes. I don't understand why some are so quick to liken criticism of the Israeli government to a hatred of Jews.
Original post by yudothis
Because unlike alt-right sissies they accept the Lord and Savior Corbyn as the ultimate leader of the UK.
Pretty sure Muslims have been voting Labour for longer than Corbyn has been head...
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