Do you think socialism can work in the UK?

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Do you think socialism can work in the UK? Corbyn's policies are heading towards socialism, but not as extreme as communism.



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Could do. Scandinavia seem to manage. But they do have huge natural reserves to pay for it.
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Lol no. It's a disincentive to work and investment.
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Could do. Scandinavia seem to manage. But they do have huge natural reserves to pay for it.
They have a smaller population too though
We seem to have more strain on resources in general


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Do you think socialism can work in the UK? Corbyn's policies are heading towards socialism, but not as extreme as communism.



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Whatever we have at the moment isn't working.
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No, I don't think it would. Britain is an enterprising country that fits better with capitalism.
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Could do. Scandinavia seem to manage. But they do have huge natural reserves to pay for it.
Scandinavian countries are not socialist.

https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-of...ian-socialism/

Just like what we ought to be, they are free-market. What we have now is a form of cronyism and that's a problem. Socialism cannot work in the UK because it has never worked anywhere else (see also; Venezuela and Cuba). I find it absurd that considering the numerous failings of the state right now and that historically, the interference of the state has always lead to some up-****ery, the left are suggesting we have more of it. The NHS is terrible right now and the government suppose they should take more of your money to fix it? What about the Post Office? Back in the 1970s, the UK had the railways nationalised and energy nationalised and guess what? They were terrible services.

What about The Big Short? The US government and many other countries' governments made the horrible decisions to reimburse the banks instead of letting them fail like decent free-market economies would. What happened? Economic bloody calamity.

The best health services in the world are not nationalised, most of our services are thankfully not nationalised because otherwise, they'd be dreadful. Government and regulations ought to simply serve and protect the people, through military and policing and upholding the law.

We need to get rid of income tax and introduce the idea of giving corporate shares and dividends to the government instead, so that they can still make money. Let everything else be private and controlled by the market.

"B-b-but what about raised prices?"

Not likely, companies still need customers.

"What about American health services being expensive?"

America do not always have expensive health services, after all, they're tiered. Countries such as Germany have private health services and are among the best in the world. Why waste time and money by throwing both at state-owned services that don't work?

If you really want a country that services its people, allow for a free-market economy where wealth is allowed to thrive. Abolish the minimum wage so that the factor of inflation is nullified and so companies can afford to hire more employees. The cost of living will adjust. Allow for legitimate business to do what the government can't do and offer more reliable services. Do you think the government has enough money to offer the kind of quality you get with private health?

tl;dr - the government should only serve and protect its people, the liberty and wealth of the people must be protected through deregulation and the reduction of nationalised services and the role of the state. State interference has always lead to ruin.
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No, I don't think it would. Britain is an enterprising country that fits better with capitalism.
It's an enterprising country because it is capitalist rather than the other way round.
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Could do. Scandinavia seem to manage. But they do have huge natural reserves to pay for it.
Scandinavia's success came from a laissez-faire system, not socialism.
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It is causing chaos in Venezuela. Socialism in the UK would destroy incentives for success and invade hugely on peoples civil liberties and economic freedom.

It would never work in the UK.
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Scandinavian countries are not socialist.
I would agree with that. But they do have policies that see support being offered to all in society from government and private companies a like. For example, the huge paid maternity allowance afforded to couples, men and women. If socialism is the wrong word to use, let's call it progressive.

By contrast you have the US where citizens are basically on their own, the irony being that support is still given, but in a rather ad-hoc charity manner.
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It's an enterprising country because it is capitalist rather than the other way round.
Yes, that was what I meant.
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Do you think socialism can work in the UK? Corbyn's policies are heading towards socialism, but not as extreme as communism.



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Really. 26% corporation tax, lowest in G7 and 6% lower than Thatcher, online with global average which looks set to go back up a bit again, as it has fallen consistently for so many years and much have reached a low at some point.

People should see past silly tribal press campaigns and recognise what could make a tangible benefit to all of our lives.
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The UK is already socialist to a certain degree. We have progressive taxation and a welfare state. Our schools are free, and we have the NHS. People expect the governement to activly intervene if they have a problem. Therefore, the question should be, is a socialist Britain working for us now?

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