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    I've been wondering, do i necessarily need a degree considering my career plans? Later on I would like to become involved in Network Management/ system Administration etc. Is a degree in computer science relevant to these jobs?

    Also, do employers look at league tables when they're requiting people with degrees? its contradicting seeing Teesside so low when it has a fantastic reputation for computing degrees, i just have this fear that i'll be rejected for job after job purly because of teessides league table position, and the money and time i spent there would be a waste. If it wasn't for league tables I would have no hesitation to sending back my reply slip to them, if i wanted to go to a uni higher up I would have to study other A levels because ive only done an AVCE with extra units.

    Alternatly, i could just study for the CCNA qualification at my local college. Its just these league tables are making me soo paranoid at the moment.

    Thanks in advance for input

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    (Original post by [-David-])
    I've been wondering, do i necessarily need a degree considering my career plans? Later on I would like to become involved in Network Management/ system Administration etc. Is a degree in computer science relevant to these jobs?

    Also, do employers look at league tables when they're requiting people with degrees? its contradicting seeing Teesside so low when it has a fantastic reputation for computing degrees, i just have this fear that i'll be rejected for job after job purly because of teessides league table position, and the money and time i spent there would be a waste. If it wasn't for league tables I would have no hesitation to sending back my reply slip to them, if i wanted to go to a uni higher up I would have to study other A levels because ive only done an AVCE with extra units.

    Alternatly, i could just study for the CCNA qualification at my local college. Its just these league tables are making me soo paranoid at the moment.

    Thanks in advance for input

    Dave

    I did the CCNA last year and really enjoyed it. Instead of going to university you could always go down the commercial training route, courses run by Microsoft and Cisco etc. If you want to get into networking, you don't necessarily have to have a degree, a lot of companies will sponsor you for Cisco courses as well and offer you a job at the end.
    Saying that though, if you did the commercial training and then changed your mind about Networking, you may find yourself a bit stuck for a job. I know a lot of programmers who have been made redundant and when going for new jobs, employers have been looking at degrees - I have a friend who left college without getting a degree and although he is an amazing programmer, he's finding it hard to even get an interview...as there's only so much you can say on paper about how good you are without having qualifications to back it up.
    I think you will enjoy Teesside - if you don't give it a try you'll never know. If you REALLY don't want to go...how about entering clearing? I'm sure there are some universities that would accept you with your qualifications.

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    A degree is not a necessity for a fulfilling, well-paid career although it is a useful basis if you don't know what you really want to do.

    Generally employers in all fields look for aptitude and literacy/numeracy. If you have chosen a vocational degree at an unfashionable university then the main employers in that discipline will be well aware of the worth of a particular course even if the overall institution isn't considered to be in the first (or even third) rank.
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    well i cant say im 100% focused on exactly what i want to do in my career though I do have an interest in networking. Ive got the course structure for teesside here and i really like it:

    First year
    C/C++ programming 1
    C/C++ programming 2
    Systems Design
    Principles of computers
    Computing Maths
    Professional studies

    Second year
    Data structures
    Programming paradigms
    Language systems
    Computer systems
    Formal Methods
    Option 2

    ---year in work experience---

    Final year
    Practical project
    AI
    Distributed systems
    Formal aspects of computer science
    Option 3a
    Option 3b

    For my options i can choose Networks and communications and advanced networks.

    When ive talked to people most of them say that the only uni's that are going to make a impact on jobs are redbrick ones anyone agree?. And I wont get into them. Hell, ive grown up being in learning support throughout my time at primary school and part of secondry school.

    I mean, teesside was one of the first uni's to teach comp sci (1966) and was rated excellent for teaching, so I think that they will provide a good education in the subject. Should I just dismiss league tables and base teesside's school of computing from all the good raves ive read about it?
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    (Original post by [-David-])
    well i cant say im 100% focused on exactly what i want to do in my career though I do have an interest in networking. Ive got the course structure for teesside here and i really like it:

    First year
    C/C++ programming 1
    C/C++ programming 2
    Systems Design
    Principles of computers
    Computing Maths
    Professional studies

    Second year
    Data structures
    Programming paradigms
    Language systems
    Computer systems
    Formal Methods
    Option 2

    ---year in work experience---

    Final year
    Practical project
    AI
    Distributed systems
    Formal aspects of computer science
    Option 3a
    Option 3b

    For my options i can choose Networks and communications and advanced networks.

    When ive talked to people most of them say that the only uni's that are going to make a impact on jobs are redbrick ones anyone agree?. And I wont get into them. Hell, ive grown up being in learning support throughout my time at primary school and part of secondry school.

    I mean, teesside was one of the first uni's to teach comp sci (1966) and was rated excellent for teaching, so I think that they will provide a good education in the subject. Should I just dismiss league tables and base teesside's school of computing from all the good raves ive read about it?

    If those modules are taught properly (which they should be) then they look pretty good to me. At the end of the day if you can program and write detailed reports on the program you have written you should be able to get a good job. Just make sure you get a 2:1 or 1st. Having a 2:2 from a medicure university will put you at a disadvantage when looking for jobs in the I.T industry unless you have somthing specific employees want.

    I am at the a red brick university although its the worse one in the country (probably) so I need to get a 2:1 or 1st.

    You may find Teeside as a better reputation in the local area than in the UK.

    Before I choose which university I went to I asked myself this question "which one I do know I can into in the local area where I know people got good jobs from?"

    So what I am really trying to say is don't let people tell you that going to Teeside is a waste of time etc, because if you put effort in and are willing to teach yourself a lot of stuff it won't be a waste of time.

    The only concern I have with the modules is make your it teaches you object oriented programming. All new languages .NET, Java etc all require you to understand this concept. i have been taught it but not deep enough, I am having to read a lot a of theory books to fully understand it.
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    Well I will have a day off from lectures at teesside so I could use that time to learn Java or so. I would love to program, i did two units on visual basic and well, hated it. Not necessarily just programming, the language in general, she was a harsh mistress to tame (converting my forms to modules, collapsing with database links etc etc.)
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    (Original post by [-David-])
    Well I will have a day off from lectures at teesside so I could use that time to learn Java or so. I would love to program, i did two units on visual basic and well, hated it. Not necessarily just programming, the language in general, she was a harsh mistress to tame (converting my forms to modules, collapsing with database links etc etc.)
    Might be a good idea to have a look at some java before you go as it will help you with C/C++.
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    So do you lot think im being a bit paranoid about league tables and job prospects then?
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    no, its good to be aware of these things...

    Make a decision after exploring every aspect... as later on u wont regret anything...

    Good Luck..! :cool:
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    (Original post by [-David-])
    I've been wondering, do i necessarily need a degree considering my career plans? Later on I would like to become involved in Network Management/ system Administration etc. Is a degree in computer science relevant to these jobs?
    Look at the jobs section in Computer Weekly or some other recruitment brochure and see what they require to get an idea of what you need to do
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    (Original post by usman_psycho)
    no, its good to be aware of these things...

    Make a decision after exploring every aspect... as later on u wont regret anything...

    Good Luck..! :cool:
    well this is the problem, apart from League tables, everything ive dug up about teessides computing courses are really good for example:

    Rated excellent by the QAA - obviously a reflection of good teachings
    Teached it since 1966
    One of the first universities to teach it
    Quite popular
    Fantastic facilities
    Adding more degrees
    Some of the books that comp science students read from have authors from Teesside uni
    Good student union

    etc etc
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    any more comments or words of wisdom from anyone?
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    (Original post by [-David-])
    any more comments or words of wisdom from anyone?
    Go to Teesside....at worst, getting a degree from Teesside is better than not getting a degree at all. You will probably enjoy it anyway....and in my opinion it's a reputable university for computing.
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    (Original post by [-David-])
    any more comments or words of wisdom from anyone?
    I don't know much about teeside but if you say it's good for computer science then you'll be fine. I think too much is made of league tables. They're more important for subjects such as English and history which aren't really vocational. Employers in the computer industry will know which unis are the best for the subject so I wouldn't worry about it
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    (Original post by who_me)
    Go to Teesside....at worst, getting a degree from Teesside is better than not getting a degree at all. You will probably enjoy it anyway....and in my opinion it's a reputable university for computing.
    Thats a contradicting comment there, i mean, i dont want to spend thousands of pounds on a degree thats just going to be frowned upon. If thats whats going to happen then i'd rather study for specialist IT qualifications.
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    (Original post by [-David-])
    Thats a contradicting comment there, i mean, i dont want to spend thousands of pounds on a degree thats just going to be frowned upon. If thats whats going to happen then i'd rather study for specialist IT qualifications.
    Personally, I don't think it will be frowned upon...but I am not an employer, so what I say doesn't really mean that much. If you are really worried about it....go somewhere else, do something else, take a year out!! Only you can make this decision..!
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    I do suggest you email the tutors and make sure that object oriented programming is included on the course. If you can't do oop by the time you graduate a dustbin mad as just as much chance of getting the job. They would have wanted to you learn it at university and not self taught you so don't pick up bad habbits. I am sure the degree will teach you oop but just double check first.

    It is no longer just Java that uses this model, .NET uses it and PHP 4 and PHP 5 use it as well.
 
 
 
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