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M2 - Centre of Mass help

Im struggling with part b of this question and with questions in this sort of area. What is the main method for answering such questions because my textbook doesn't cover it very well.
What are the best ways of answering centre of mass questions, especially like this one and how do you answer this one?
Thanks
Reply 1
Normally you'd have a table like:

____________ Small shape 1 ________ Small shape 2 ________ Small shape 3 ________ Whole shape
Mass ___________ m1___________________ m2 _____________ m3 _________________ M
Centre of mass _(x1, y1) _______________ (x2, y2) __________(x3, y3) ______________ (xbar, ybar)

If there's a hole, then you're subtracting off its mass to get the whole shape.
Reply 2
Original post by ThomH97
Normally you'd have a table like:

____________ Small shape 1 ________ Small shape 2 ________ Small shape 3 ________ Whole shape
Mass ___________ m1___________________ m2 _____________ m3 _________________ M
Centre of mass _(x1, y1) _______________ (x2, y2) __________(x3, y3) ______________ (xbar, ybar)

If there's a hole, then you're subtracting off its mass to get the whole shape.


How would you do part b?
Original post by Lukeyg900
How would you do part b?


Draw a line from the point of suspension (S) and add on the mass, then take moments.
Original post by Lukeyg900
Im struggling with part b of this question and with questions in this sort of area. What is the main method for answering such questions because my textbook doesn't cover it very well.
What are the best ways of answering centre of mass questions, especially like this one and how do you answer this one?
Thanks

Try a search - this has already been asked and explained. Sorry - I don't have the thread handy.

EDIT: It's here.
(edited 6 years ago)
Reply 5
Original post by RogerOxon
Try a search - this has already been asked and explained. Sorry - I don't have the thread handy.

EDIT: It's here.


Thanks but i've already read through it and really don't understand, could you help? How would you attempt a question like this in general?
Reply 6
Original post by HopelessMedic
Draw a line from the point of suspension (S) and add on the mass, then take moments.


How? What angles do I use?
Original post by Lukeyg900
Thanks but i've already read through it and really don't understand, could you help? How would you attempt a question like this in general?

Could you look at the mark scheme and raise any steps that you don't understand?
Original post by Lukeyg900
How would you attempt a question like this in general?

The centre of mass of a composite body is just a weighted average of the CoM of each component. In this question, there's symmetry about the x axis, so we already know the y co-ordinate is 0. You therefore take the weighted average of the x coordinates of the centre of mass of the two objects, one of which has a negative 'mass' (or area).

I'd do the same for the final part, calculating the x coordinate from the given angle.
Reply 9
Original post by RogerOxon
The centre of mass of a composite body is just a weighted average of the CoM of each component. In this question, there's symmetry about the x axis, so we already know the y co-ordinate is 0. You therefore take the weighted average of the x coordinates of the centre of mass of the two objects, one of which has a negative 'mass' (or area).

I'd do the same for the final part, calculating the x coordinate from the given angle.


Okay thank you.
As you seem to know a lot about mechanics could you help me with a problem i've been having? In certain questions regarding ladders or rods it seems the direction of frictional forces at ends against a wall seem to change direction in different questions without any clear indication of the ladder slipping in the question, how do you know? Usually it says something is on the verge of slipping so you know the direction of friction however with these questions it's not the case; some questions friction acts vertically up from the wall and in others it acts down, how do you know?
Original post by Lukeyg900
some questions friction acts vertically up from the wall and in others it acts down, how do you know?

You can make an educated guess, but it doesn't matter if you're wrong. All that will happen is that you'll get a negative value for your friction force, indicating that it's in the opposite direction to what you'd assumed.
Reply 11
Original post by RogerOxon
You can make an educated guess, but it doesn't matter if you're wrong. All that will happen is that you'll get a negative value for your friction force, indicating that it's in the opposite direction to what you'd assumed.


Ahh makes sense okay thanks for all the help!

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