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    [QUOTE=piranha85]It makes me feel special that I'm one of the few people who genuinely enjoys chemistry. :rolleyes: [QUOTE]

    Yeah, I feel that way.. I just really love Chemistry, but I cant put my hand on why I actually like it. I guess I see it as interesting and challenging. Its great to know, that what you are learning, has been the result of hundreds of years of discovery.

    As someone said, there is athe situation of our industries going abroad! That would be sad, and that has been the recent cause of the 'brain drain' effect. Where most of our top scientissts move t o the US or Europe in order to get paid more for their jobs and tasks... I think its a disgrace that our Chemists are just undervalued. We could see more of our scientists moving abroad, unless our Government does something about it.

    some perspective is needed here. chemistry as a subject at school bears little resemblance to an undergraduate course in any university. this can be quite off-putting for first years and some leave the subject for this reason. there are jobs in chemistry, but most of them are in the organic/biomedical field. remember, there are principally three types of chemistry undertaken in universities as research; physical, inorganic and organic, so some graduates do find it difficult to find gainful employment. for example, if you're a laser spectroscopist and that's definitely what you want to do, you will find it hard to get a job outside of academia (and getting a job inside academia is not exactly easy, but that's another matter for another time). if on the other hand you are a theoretical chemist, you will have gained transferable skills in computing that should hold you in good stead.

    an undergraduate degree in chemistry will always mean something because you will have gained a combination of skills including practical problem solving, numeracy and communication. the job market is tough for everyone, irrespective of what non-medical degree you have. if you go on to study for a doctorate in a science subject, you will paradoxically find that you have harmed your job prospects to some degree because big companies with graduate schemes will be put off (because you didn't get a job the first time round with your undergraduate degree, therefore you did a phd) and you are very highly skilled in an extremely specialised area. there are loads of people, and i know some and have met many at interviews, with phds in the physical sciences that are either under- or unemployed.

    the bottom line is, stay focused, do a general type of degree and specialise in what you are interested in later on. for example, if you want to be a forensic scientist (and many do), do a degree in chemistry and then a masters later as the industry wants people trained in chemistry.

    the situation with chemistry departments closing is simply economics. it costs a lot of money to train a chemistry student and not much money to train a media studies student, therefore you get more media studies students for your money. the money comes from the government, but the universities can spend it any way they like (in a way). the number of undergraduates you have determines the number of staff you can afford to pay. if your student numbers go down, you then struggle to pay salaries. some departments are subsidising their wage bills with research income, but that is probably not sustainable.

    the government knows that our economy is dependent to a large extent on chemistry and the skills of chemists. it also knows that our research base is critical in developing the research of today into the technology of tomorrow. as to what it's going to do about it?

    yep, chemistry is falling apart. though whe the oil runs out we are going to be in a whole lot of trouble for organic chem.

    what alchemist said is true..

    (Original post by lord alchemist)
    some perspective is needed here. chemistry as a subject at school bears little resemblance to an undergraduate course in any university. this can be quite off-putting for first years and some leave the subject for this reason.
    This is very true, I have just done my first year and have found it a huge struggle to understand the concepts. I'm worried that I'm going to end up with a crap degree now, because I'm struggling, which is going to result in me not getting a good job as I will lose out to those with much better degree's than mine (and yes I know some does come down to interview but if they have me with a low 2:2 and someone else with a good 2:1 and we both give good interviews, they aren't likely to chose me are they?).

    My course at uni is also very under subscribed, and I have a feeling it won't last much longer as its not got too good a reputation for undergrad courses (though it has a 5* rating for research because of all the connections it has with industry and stuff).
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