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    I personally am far right, but everyone else here seems a bit of a centrist. In my eyes, neither Labour or the Tories are going to help.
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    I don't support wings. I support the party who I think will make the UK a better place for all. This can change each year and I do not want to support the wing that has a party that will do crap to the UK on one year.
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    There's no far left people here. Plenty of far right people who share their rhetoric but they deny that to legitimise themselves.
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    I am sympathetic to the concerns of the far left and far right, but I am closer to the centre... apart from cultural issues where I'm extremely liberal but ye.
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    (Original post by fvckkk)
    There's no far left people here. Plenty of far right people who share their rhetoric but they deny that to legitimise themselves.
    Define far right
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    (Original post by fvckkk)
    There's no far left people here.
    You know, I really try to be noticed, guys....

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    I think once you relinquish your opinions and principles to an ideology rather than just making your own mind up then game is over.

    Can someone like Tommy Robinson make a point I agree with? Yes. But I don't then invest myself in thinking every idea of his is a good one.

    Can Jeremy Corbyn sometimes make me cringe with some of his stances? Yes. But I don't write him off completely.

    Political allegiance, religion, sports, owning Apple products. These are all just a way of not having to think for yourself. They're conveniences in navigating the treacherous, complicated waters of society. Outsourcing your thinking is a very efficient way of freeing yourself up to focus on what your own role in society can be.

    But you will be taken advantage of.
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    (Original post by BigYoSpeck)
    I think once you relinquish your opinions and principles to an ideology rather than just making your own mind up then game is over.

    Can someone like Tommy Robinson make a point I agree with? Yes. But I don't then invest myself in thinking every idea of his is a good one.

    Can Jeremy Corbyn sometimes make me cringe with some of his stances? Yes. But I don't write him off completely.

    Political allegiance, religion, sports, owning Apple products. These are all just a way of not having to think for yourself. They're conveniences in navigating the treacherous, complicated waters of society. Outsourcing your thinking is a very efficient way of freeing yourself up to focus on what your own role in society can be.

    But you will be taken advantage of.
    I don't see how using an apple product or playing a sport is not thinking for yourself? What? If I own an android am I a free thinking spirit? Similarly if I don't play hockey am I a free man?


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    (Original post by Lmacwilliam)
    I don't see how using an apple product or playing a sport is not thinking for yourself? What? If I own an android am I a free thinking spirit? Similarly if I don't play hockey am I a free man?


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    Ah, there's an element of jest in what I say.

    But ask an Apple owner why they love Apple products and one of the things I often hear is 'it just works'. They are devices you don't have to give much thought to, and for technology I would suggest that is a good thing, micromanaging your life by knowing the ins and outs of every tool you use will paralyse you through inaction because there just isn't time in the day to make 100% informed decisions about everything. You do have to relinquish thought to someone you perceive has your back in delivering good tools for you.

    And politics/religion/ideology is similar in that it can be thought as a tool for navigating life. It saves you the effort of critically analysing every single facet of every single issue. Which is why when people do subscribe to a particular ideology you will see them defend less and less reasonable aspects as they become invested in the ecosystem.
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    (Original post by fvckkk)
    There's no far left people here.
    Errr.... Hello. I'm right here. :hello:


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    You know, I really try to be noticed, guys....

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    We can blend in more easily and subvert the class system from within :ninja:
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    (Original post by BigYoSpeck)
    I think once you relinquish your opinions and principles to an ideology rather than just making your own mind up then game is over.

    Can someone like Tommy Robinson make a point I agree with? Yes. But I don't then invest myself in thinking every idea of his is a good one.

    Can Jeremy Corbyn sometimes make me cringe with some of his stances? Yes. But I don't write him off completely.

    Political allegiance, religion, sports, owning Apple products. These are all just a way of not having to think for yourself. They're conveniences in navigating the treacherous, complicated waters of society. Outsourcing your thinking is a very efficient way of freeing yourself up to focus on what your own role in society can be.

    But you will be taken advantage of.
    #edgy

    More often than not imo, those who profess no religion, no political affiliation and so on are people who haven't thought about anything other than how to satisfy their basest desires - specifically, whom to **** and what to consume. If that's all you care, then yeah, it's unlikely you'll ever even spend any time thinking through what you believe about politics and religion. There's that side if you wanna be serious.
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    (Original post by fvckkk)
    There's no far left people here.
    Fullofsurprises
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    You know, I really try to be noticed, guys....

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    If you had an easily recognisable picture it would help.
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    I'm centre-left.

    It's routine now amongst Tories and the right generally to smear all leftish people as 'far left'. It doesn't mean a damn thing, apart from the fact that the Right have lurched much further Right, so that to them, everyone to the left of Margaret Thatcher appears to be a revolutionary Marxist / member of the SWP / anarcho-Trot.
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    Here are my main views

    F*ck religion but if you want to practice it in your own home fine do what you wan't.
    Deport/shoot anyone who pledges allegiance to our enemies (ISIS right now)
    Stop taking in refugees apart from unaccompanied children who are clearly under 10
    Leave the EU - but remain friends with them
    Make abortion illegal with exceptions being cases where the mothers life is at risk or if two doctors agree the baby would lead a very poor quality of life and the mother chooses abortion. - or in cases of provable rape - and under 18's
    Close down any mosque that doesn't fully cooperate with the government counter radicalization programs (in the interest of fairness do the same for all religious institutions - not that churches have a problem with radicalization)
    Reinstate the death penalty then execute anjem choudary on the grounds of inciting mass murder and terrorism.
    Give all police officers guns and tell them they can shoot anyone who they feel is a threat (also give them body cameras)
    Reintroduce mandatory conscription for all between the ages 18 - 20 (including girls and most people with disabilities (like israel who for example use people with autism in their analytics department))
    Create a British Foreign Legion then offer any military aged refugees (and any one else) a British passport if they fight for us for 5 years - then end them to syria and use them to crush ISIS.
    Oh and legalize weed


    Do you think I'm far right?
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    (Original post by FakeNewsEditor)
    #edgy

    More often than not imo, those who profess no religion, no political affiliation and so on are people who haven't thought about anything other than how to satisfy their basest desires - specifically, whom to **** and what to consume. If that's all you care, then yeah, it's unlikely you'll ever even spend any time thinking through what you believe about politics and religion. There's that side if you wanna be serious.
    More often? Is there anything you can back that up with or are you speaking more from a sense or hunch?

    Almost all people relinquish themselves to some rituals, ideologies, or practices in an almost religious manner. It feels good to feel like you're a part of something, it's a shortcut to arriving at a modality of being without the hard work of reinventing the wheel by crafting your own 10 commandments so to speak. And being social creatures, no one really wants to be unique or a freak because that cuts you off from the most powerful survival tool there is. Even those who believe they are unique and reject conforming, scratch below the surface of their behaviour and they're still adhering to a group principle and feeling like they are a part of something.

    Something that makes humans unique is knowing about the future like it's a place, and our ability to be able to bargain with the future. Those that do that best become the most successful. And an ideology is a great tool for being able to do that with. But it's important to question them as all ideas at some point will be exposed as incomplete.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    I'm centre-left.

    It's routine now amongst Tories and the right generally to smear all leftish people as 'far left'. It doesn't mean a damn thing, apart from the fact that the Right have lurched much further Right, so that to them, everyone to the left of Margaret Thatcher appears to be a revolutionary Marxist / member of the SWP / anarcho-Trot.
    Although everyone left of Thatcher is the scum of the earth (j/k), don't be so uncharitable to the right. We don't regard Sanders for example as being Marxist or "SWP/anarcho-Trot". Even though he calls himself a democratic socialist.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    I'm centre-left.

    It's routine now amongst Tories and the right generally to smear all leftish people as 'far left'. It doesn't mean a damn thing, apart from the fact that the Right have lurched much further Right, so that to them, everyone to the left of Margaret Thatcher appears to be a revolutionary Marxist / member of the SWP / anarcho-Trot.
    its weird because as a right winger I find my self thinking exactly the same about the left:

    It's routine now amongst Liberals and the left generally to smear all right wing people as 'far right'. It doesn't mean a damn thing, apart from the fact that the Left have lurched much further Left, so that to them, everyone to the right of Jeremy Corbyn appears to be a revolutionary Facist / member of the EDL / Nazi Party
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    (Original post by BigYoSpeck)
    More often? Is there anything you can back that up with or are you speaking more from a sense or hunch?

    Almost all people relinquish themselves to some rituals, ideologies, or practices in an almost religious manner. It feels good to feel like you're a part of something, it's a shortcut to arriving at a modality of being without the hard work of reinventing the wheel by crafting your own 10 commandments so to speak. And being social creatures, no one really wants to be unique or a freak because that cuts you off from the most powerful survival tool there is. Even those who believe they are unique and reject conforming, scratch below the surface of their behaviour and they're still adhering to a group principle and feeling like they are a part of something.

    Something that makes humans unique is knowing about the future like it's a place, and our ability to be able to bargain with the future. Those that do that best become the most successful. And an ideology is a great tool for being able to do that with. But it's important to question them as all ideas at some point will be exposed as incomplete.
    I can back it up as much as you can back up your previous claims. I.e. personal experience.

    Also, ideology isn't something you follow blindly with no reason. It's a way of making beliefs coherent and non-contradictory. A set of coherent beliefs about politics is a political ideology.
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    Im in UKIP territory socially
 
 
 
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