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    I am so tired of hearing idiotic arguments like:
    "Your iPhone, computer, TV etc were all made thanks to the free market! Bow down and worship capitalism!"

    "If it wasn't for capitalism, you'd be starving to death. Now STFU and serve your capitalist overlords, who work their backs off to produce all this nice stuff for you."

    "You're just a lazy bum who doesn't want to work. Parasite."

    "You're a filthy communist."

    None of these, of course, are actual arguments. Especially since many points that are brought up in favour of capitalism can be used to justify feudalism!

    https://www.reddit.com/r/socialism/c...em_capitalism/

    Although I would argue that feudalism was superior to capitalism, because whereas with feudalism there was a sense of noblesse oblige, modern capitalists have no such sense. There is little or no conception of an organic spiritual bond between master and servant, employer and employee, that there was with feudalism.

    There are a few good videos debunking such nonsensical arguments:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPvHoxlY3UY
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BOokuK84Qc
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    (Original post by Juan Perón)
    I am so tired of hearing idiotic arguments like:
    "Your iPhone, computer, TV etc were all made thanks to the free market! Bow down and worship capitalism!"

    "If it wasn't for capitalism, you'd be starving to death. Now STFU and serve your capitalist overlords, who work their backs off to produce all this nice stuff for you."

    "You're just a lazy bum who doesn't want to work. Parasite."

    "You're a filthy communist."

    None of these, of course, are actual arguments. Especially since many points that are brought up in favour of capitalism can be used to justify feudalism!

    https://www.reddit.com/r/socialism/c...em_capitalism/

    Although I would argue that feudalism was superior to capitalism, because whereas with feudalism there was a sense of noblesse oblige, modern capitalists have no such sense. There is little or no conception of an organic spiritual bond between master and servant, employer and employee, that there was with feudalism.

    There are a few good videos debunking such nonsensical arguments:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPvHoxlY3UY
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BOokuK84Qc
    Then what do you suggest as an alternative to capitalism?
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    (Original post by 0lm)
    Then what do you suggest as an alternative to capitalism?
    Probably some form of corporatism, or an updated version of medieval feudalism or the caste system. Though I would be interested in an "aristocratic socialism", a socialism which accepted the principle of elitism and hierarchy.
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    (Original post by Juan Perón)
    Probably some form of corporatism, or an updated version of medieval feudalism or the caste system. Though I would be interested in an "aristocratic socialism", a socialism which accepted the principle of elitism and hierarchy.
    Socialism of all forms fails and has failed everywhere it has operated. Why restrict people's liberty in the sake of equality? It has been chaotic in Venezuela, who's youth are desperate for capitalism. The usual leftist argument of ' it works in Scandinavia' is flawed as their success was derived from a laissiez-faire system.

    Civil liberty, economic freedom and choice should come first in any modern society. For those who truly want to be free, capitalism is a must.
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    (Original post by Juan Perón)
    Probably some form of corporatism, or an updated version of medieval feudalism or the caste system. Though I would be interested in an "aristocratic socialism", a socialism which accepted the principle of elitism and hierarchy.
    Surely aristocratic socialism would just entrench hierarchy and elitists? As in an ordinary person wouldn't be able to aspire to become an elitist. Sure the rich have the upper hand but ordinary people can and do make it big into the elitist ranks.
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    I'm not quite sure you know what you're talking about. You criticise capitalism heavily yet advocate caste-systems and feudalism. It's rather silly.
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    (Original post by 0lm)
    Socialism of all forms fails and has failed everywhere it has operated. Why restrict people's liberty in the sake of equality? It has been chaotic in Venezuela, who's youth are desperate for capitalism. The usual leftist argument of ' it works in Scandinavia' is flawed as their success was derived from a laissiez-faire system.
    The Scandinavian countries are social democracies. Social democracy is a very watered-down form of socialism (some on the hard-left don't think it counts as "socialist" at all). In the midst of all this capitalist degeneracy, I think a Scandinavian-style social democracy is the least bad option, though it has its problems too.

    In the main, I reject any system which is obsessed with comfort and security and socio-economic "progress" over the spiritual development of individuals. I think a Scandinavian-style social democracy would at least give some precedence to the latter over the former.

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    Civil liberty, economic freedom and choice should come first in any modern society.
    I agree. Which is why capitalism should be abolished.
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    (Original post by zayn008)
    Surely aristocratic socialism would just entrench hierarchy and elitists? As in an ordinary person wouldn't be able to aspire to become an elitist. Sure the rich have the upper hand but ordinary people can and do make it big into the elitist ranks.
    An ordinary person, keenly aware of his ordinariness, would not aspire to be part of the elite in the first place, knowing where his spiritual competences lie. Those that know they are destined for higher things will know without having to be prompted.
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    (Original post by Conceited)
    I'm not quite sure you know what you're talking about. You criticise capitalism heavily yet advocate caste-systems and feudalism. It's rather silly.
    Read Revolt Against the Modern World (1934) by Julius Evola, some Nietzsche, some Proudhon, etc and then you might get where I'm coming from.
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    Lol but if it weren't for capitalism, we probably wouldn't have TSR. We'd have "TCR" - "The Comrade Room"
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    capitalism is where I decide how much I'm worth and then offer my labour to someone else, if that person thinks I'm worth what I'm asking for to him then he employees me; if not I either lower how much I'm worth or work for someone else. This is the ultimate form of freedom.

    In socialism the state decides how much my work is worth - which is not freedom.
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    We should also consider that the current capitalism is very different to what is used to be. Only because of laws that protects the emplyees.
    In the XIXth century US had a very strick law which guaranteed that everyone will be equal on the market by assuring that corporations will not come to existence.

    It was possible to setup a corporation only for a very limited period of time, it could work or own anything only in one particular place, and only to make some public works which are too big for single private investors (eg. building a bridge or railway).
    Because only private companies, owned and runned by real persons, fully responsible for their actions, existen on the market, all companies were runned in more humanly manner, it was more difficult to accumulate too much of resources or political influence.

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    Probably some form of corporatism,
    But this is what we have now. And if not this one, then which one would you prefer? The one of Mussolini's?
    Corporations are those who transfer responsibility for their crimes from a manager to manager, untill it gets impossible to find out who is guilty, who force people in the west to stay in offices after their legal hours of work and not to take holidays, and employing people in the far east for hunger wages and force them sometimes to work from dawn till dusk. Some private businessmen would do the same if they could, but some wouldn't. Henry Ford never used people, he worked WITH people. Besides, corporations are much more powerful and politcally influential. The GM for example, kept producing cars which in Europe would be considered as obsolete even in the 60ties, and when they were about to downfall, they convinced US government to give them millions of dollars of taxpayer's money. The greatest progress in many areas of everyday use technology was done by small private companies, such as Tucker because they were ran by passion of their creators, not by corporations which pay attention only to profit indicators.
    Even if they invest in charity, such investment would not be accepted if it was not considered good for their image -> even more profit.

    I'm currently working for a private business, founded by ex-corporation workers who were sick of being used, disrespected and ignored. Our boss listens to all of his employees and seriously considers our opinions, we can literally see our suggestions being put to life and our product is much better and same time cheaper than the competing corpo products.
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    So, you want to replace the closest thing we have to a meritocracy with a form of elitism. Charming.
 
 
 
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