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Different to a lot of people but on the last question, 7 marker I used this method:

S(x direction)= 8 metres
S(x direction)= ucosθt
ucosθ= 4cos(90-36.87) = 2.4ms-1

rearrange from 8=2.4(t) to make 't' the subject. t=(8/2.4)= 10/3. Time for phone to travel 8m in x-direction = 10/3seconds.

Working to find S(y direction)
S(y direction)= usinθt-1/2(g)(t^2)
t= 10/3 . usinθ= 4sin(90-36.87)= 3.2ms-1 . g=9.8ms-2

therefore S(y direction)= 3.2(10/3)-1/2(9.8)(10/3)^2= -43.8m. Therefore distance = 43.8m

Anyone get the same or where did I go wrong?
Reply 81
Original post by Zaydy3
These are my answers:

21) No idea about mew on the roof



For 21, Mu < 3/4.

As the roof was a slope, and the phone was sliding down, you can see that Fr < mgsin(a) (the component of the weight pulling the phone down the roof).

We know that R is the other component of weight, mgcos(a), so Fr = mu(mgcos(a).

This means mu(mgcos(a)) < mgsin(a)

mu < mgsin(a) / mgcos(a)
mu < sin(a)/cos(a)
mu < tan(a)

And as stated in the question, tan(a) = 3/4

mu < 3/4

It seemed like a lot of work for 2 marks though, but I'm pretty certain this is what they were looking for.
Reply 82
Original post by AGHodges
For 21, Mu < 3/4.

As the roof was a slope, and the phone was sliding down, you can see that Fr < mgsin(a) (the component of the weight pulling the phone down the roof).

We know that R is the other component of weight, mgcos(a), so Fr = mu(mgcos(a).

This means mu(mgcos(a)) < mgsin(a)

mu < mgsin(a) / mgcos(a)
mu < sin(a)/cos(a)
mu < tan(a)

And as stated in the question, tan(a) = 3/4

mu < 3/4

It seemed like a lot of work for 2 marks though, but I'm pretty certain this is what they were looking for.


HAHAA no way in hell i would have got that xD Oh well i think i just lost those two tbh so its all good
Reply 83
Original post by paulblart
Different to a lot of people but on the last question, 7 marker I used this method:

S(x direction)= 8 metres
S(x direction)= ucosθt
ucosθ= 4cos(90-36.87) = 2.4ms-1

rearrange from 8=2.4(t) to make 't' the subject. t=(8/2.4)= 10/3. Time for phone to travel 8m in x-direction = 10/3seconds.

Working to find S(y direction)
S(y direction)= usinθt-1/2(g)(t^2)
t= 10/3 . usinθ= 4sin(90-36.87)= 3.2ms-1 . g=9.8ms-2

therefore S(y direction)= 3.2(10/3)-1/2(9.8)(10/3)^2= -43.8m. Therefore distance = 43.8m

Anyone get the same or where did I go wrong?


If this is the distance from the house, how the hell would a phone fall off a roof and land 43.8 metres away from the house.

Edit: I got 3.38m which sounds more realistic but id give you 7/7 for effort though, AQA probs won't tho :/
(edited 6 years ago)
Original post by Zaydy3
If this is the distance from the house, how the hell would a phone fall off a roof and land 43.8 metres away from the house.

Edit: I got 3.38m which sounds more realistic but id give you 7/7 for effort though, AQA probs won't tho :/


3.38 is correct .. people did not set up projectile correct that's why they got it wrong .. they did not consider the fact that the mobile has negative initial velocity ... you are right common sense needs to be taken to such situations lol
What was that question about jet ski part b ... did it say that at B it has 10 ms-1 so there for find average velocity from A to B
For the question about the genius on the trolley you said that the final velocity is 1.0. It's actually 0.9 because when he threw the second sandbag it was moving at 2 m/s RELATIVE TO HIM therefore it was moving at 2-0.4 RELATIVE to the ground which is 1.6 m/s. The total momentum of the sandbags is 20X2 +20X1.6= 72. The total mass of the man and trolley is 10 + 70 = 80. 72/80=0.9.
I didn't put negative values but I don't know if it should be negative or not.
Original post by Mahahad Banter
For the question about the genius on the trolley you said that the final velocity is 1.0. It's actually 0.9 because when he threw the second sandbag it was moving at 2 m/s RELATIVE TO HIM therefore it was moving at 2-0.4 RELATIVE to the ground which is 1.6 m/s. The total momentum of the sandbags is 20X2 +20X1.6= 72. The total mass of the man and trolley is 10 + 70 = 80. 72/80=0.9.
I didn't put negative values but I don't know if it should be negative or not.


I don't I don't know who is right or wrong I got -0.4 and -1 and this is correct according to my teacher but he does get wrong questions here and then ...oh well I guess you are correct ... there goes my 7 marks lol
Reply 88
Original post by igotnomoney
I don't I don't know who is right or wrong I got -0.4 and -1 and this is correct according to my teacher but he does get wrong questions here and then ...oh well I guess you are correct ... there goes my 7 marks lol


I would have thought that it didn't matter if you put negative or left it as positive because thats only the direction that you choose to take as positive
Original post by igotnomoney
I don't I don't know who is right or wrong I got -0.4 and -1 and this is correct according to my teacher but he does get wrong questions here and then ...oh well I guess you are correct ... there goes my 7 marks lol


Someone posted the paper on TSR https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=4807902&p=72476288#post72476288
It says find the speed so the answers are positive. I just realised I fkd this up the answer is 0.8 not 0.9.
(edited 6 years ago)
A*A*A*A*A student here. Did the entirety of this paper just then (for fun...please don't judge). Here are the answers, bar units etc. I'm 99% sure this will be what appears on the mark scheme.

1) 46.2 and 23.1
2) 0.4 and 0.8
3) 18 and 18.75
4) -2.5, 19.6, 0.255 and mu increases explanation based another changing quantity
5) 0.625, 330 and 1830
6) Diagram involving W, R, T, F...you know the drill. Then 156, 0.344, 0.0941 and air resistance increases with speed
7) 4.5i 0.8j and 5i 3.2j
8) 3.38, 13.1 and mu < 0.75

A reasonable, and quite standard paper (compared to the likes of the 2016 one, at least) with the exception of parts 2b and 8c - the earlier contained a sneaky "twist" and the latter required extensive thinking about something that is not in the style of projectile questions. I agree with the grade boundaries.
(edited 6 years ago)
I got A*A*A*
. Very happy after seeing 100 ums in each maths modules ... I found out my mechanics marks and ended up with 74/75
if I got 68 UMS for MM1B is it worth a remark?
Original post by Zaydy3

10) Mew would be larger?


Are u thick :wink:))))
Original post by Zaydy3
These are my answers:

No idea if they are wrong or right i literally did no revision for this cos i need a U in it to get an a* xD. So these could be wrong im not saying im right.

1) 46.2N
2) 23.1 N
3) 0.4m/s
4) 1.0m/s
5) 18 metres
6) 18.75 seconds
7) -2.5m/s^2
8) 19.6
9) 0.459
10) Mew would be larger?
11) 0.625
12) 330N
13) 1830N
14) 156N
15) 0.344
16) 0.0941
17) 4.57 m/s
18) this is a vector i think (5 3.2) m/s
19) 3.38m
20) 13.1 m/s
21) No idea about mew on the roof

Like i said these could be wrong so i'll edit if if they are, i'm not being like that sad kid who thinks they got it all right 😂


Could yo explain 9 for me please
Original post by zeldor711
Lots of people it 1 for question 2 b, but I am pretty sure it is incorrect. They key is that the bag is travelling at 2 m s-1 relative to the velocity of the trolley, v - 2. This gives out equation:

80v + 20(v - 2) = 0.4 x 100

Edit:
It was also mew < 0.75 for the last question


hi do you mind explaining this to me in further detail (the momentum qs)

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