Feminism VS Equalism

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what's the difference?
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what's the difference?
Until equalism is achieved, movements like feminism are required to redress the imbalance.

Feminists are basically equalists to think that action is required to achieve the desired equality, because the status quo is not equal.
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Until equalism is achieved, movements like feminism are required to redress the imbalance.

Feminists are basically equalists to think that action is required to achieve the desired equality, because the status quo is not equal.
you've cleverly glossed over the fact that feminism stands up for women mainly (tempted to say only), don't you think that we need equalism instead of feminism?
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you've cleverly glossed over the fact that feminism stands up for women mainly (tempted to say only),
Erm, no.
Of course feminism promotes the interests of women, by definition!

don't you think that we need equalism instead of feminism?
As I said, until equalism is the norm, feminism is required to address the imbalance. Even if the population at large merely accepts the status quo, rather than being actively sexist, a gender imbalance will endure. Positive action is required.

If there actually was genuine equality, feminism would not exist.
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Erm, no.
Of course feminism promotes the interests of women, by definition!

As I said, until equalism is the norm, feminism is required to address the imbalance. Even if the population at large merely accepts the status quo, rather than being actively sexist, a gender imbalance will endure. Positive action is required.

If there actually was genuine equality, feminism would not exist.
and ironically to get genuine equality... we need EQUALISM! by definition it helps men just as much as women.
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and ironically to get genuine equality... we need EQUALISM! by definition it helps men just as much as women.
But if two things are unequal, and you help them both equally, you maintain the inequality.
If two things are unequal, you need to help one more than the other to achieve equality.

Think of it like this.
Jack and Jill each need £5 to go to the movies.
Jack has £4 but Jill only has £2.
Their mum only has £4 left to give to them.
How can their mum ensure that they both go to the movies?
By helping them equally or by helping one more than the other?
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But if two things are unequal, and you help them both equally, you maintain the inequality.
If two things are unequal, you need to help one more than the other to achieve equality.

Think of it like this.
Jack and Jill each need £5 to go to the movies.
Jack has £4 but Jill only has £2.
Their mum only has £4 left to give to them.
How can their mum ensure that they both go to the movies?
By helping them equally or by helping one more than the other?
so you admit that feminism helps women A LOT more than men?
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so you admit that feminism helps women A LOT more than men?
In the same way that £3 helps Jill A LOT more than £2 does. Yes.

I'm not sure how I could explain it any more simply. But if you are still having trouble understanding it, I'll have another think.
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what's the difference?
I'll be pedantic again: equalism is not, and was never, a word. It was rather made up by individuals who didn't know that the word egalitarianism existed, and it has just caught on.

Anyway. Feminism can be accompanied by egalitarianistic beliefs, but it is not a necessity. Feminism is a movement that encourages the creation and maintenance of rights for females specifically, while egalitarianism is a philosophy that encourages the equal treatment of all, and equal rights as a result. They're not mutually exclusive, and one often coincides with the other, unless we're talking about these authoritarian feminists affectionately dubbed "feminazis" or SJWs within online communities.
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what's the difference?
Feminism says that women should be the rulers. Equalism says that men and women are equal


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exactly!
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I'll be pedantic again: equalism is not, and was never, a word. It was rather made up by individuals who didn't know that the word egalitarianism existed, and it has just caught on.
True. I guess that "egality" doesn't have a "Q" in it, so it confuses some people. Perhaps they think it is something to do with eagles?

But surely everyone knows about égalité, fraternité et liberté?
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No it doesn't.

Feminism: The advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes. - OED
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exactly!
Exactly wrong!
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Exactly wrong!
completely correct I'm afraid!
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completely correct I'm afraid!
Where gender inequality exists, feminism in necessary to redress the imbalance.

Think of it like this.
Washing and cleanliness are not the same thing. Washing achieves cleanliness.
You can wash if you are dirty or if you are clean, but if you are dirty you will need to wash to achieve cleanliness.

Hope this helped.
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Where gender inequality exists, feminism in necessary to redress the imbalance.

Think of it like this.
Washing and cleanliness are not the same thing. Washing achieves cleanliness.
You can wash if you are dirty or if you are clean, but if you are dirty you will need to wash to achieve cleanliness.

Hope this helped.
unfortunately no, it didn't help, but I don't expect much from a feminist anyway.
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Until equalism is achieved, movements like feminism are required to redress the imbalance.
And the result is sometimes exactly the opposite to intended.
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No it doesn't.

Feminism: The advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes. - OED
So by this definition do you believe there should also be a movement dedicated to men's rights?

In your money example atm, Jill has £3.99 and Jack has £4. Jill is being given £1.01 and Jack is being given nothing.
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They're the same thing, except feminism focuses on the women side of the imbalance.
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