UCAS application and Uni information omitting, huge dilemma, help!

I'm an international student and have gone through UCAS.

Right now, what you've said is pretty fuzzy. What exactly do you need to know? -whether you could 'omit' this past university experience of yours? :s-smilie:

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OP

wackysparkle

I'm an international student and have gone through UCAS.

Right now, what you've said is pretty fuzzy. What exactly do you need to know? -whether you could 'omit' this past university experience of yours? :s-smilie:

I know...

I'm sort of confused about this problem, so sry for not sounding
the best. :frown:

Yes, this what you said is exactly what i need to know... I need to know my options now, because i can't erase things now.

Any help is welcome!

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In my opinion, I wouldn't try to erase the situation. In your personal statement I would refer to it and try to make it sound like a positive thing e.g. I was previously studying chemical engineering but soon found that my interests were high in the Architectural side of projects. Hence, I pursued this career choice and applying for the K100 course. I believe that my past education will be of use as I now have an understanding of the engineering side of Architecture. Further, I am now competent in AutoCAD which would be of an advantage for this course.

See? - You just need to be able to phrase it right, and it doesn't show lack of commitment or anything - it actually could show that you are an asset as you have past experience!

If the facilities in this university were not good then say so. E.g. I felt that the environment I was working in was below standards as facilities were limited - hence limiting my potential in the course. Thus, I found it in my best interest to opt for another university where I feel that I will be able to express and maintain the high standards that I have had since High School.

I would advise you to write up your statement, and if need be post it at the PS helper section in the main forum.

WS

Reply 4

OP

Thx wackysparkle...

Well, i have the PS written already... i only have to choose between two
possibilities.

I guess i could try to turn it as positive as i can, but i'd have to explain a lot then(space limits me).

If i mention it, i'd have to give grades as well, right? What kind of deal is it with those cashed in or smth grades UK students have? Is there an way i could get smoothly exit this? Any way not to mention it?

Anyway, what's the legal side of this? What am i "obliged" to do? It's highly unlikely that they would ever find out, anyway...

What matters most is how admissions look at it...

Reply 5

Good bloke

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Yes, you are obliged to tell them all about your prevous education. You have to make a declaration to that effect. The potential penalties for being caught lying include castration, beating with a tawse and having to clean the men's toilet for a whole term. Oh, and expulsion from the UCAS system.

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oh har de har har. :rolleyes:

you are obligated to tell them all your education. As for grades, if they are cashed in and you have a paper based qualification certificate then you would have to declare them in the 'grades' section of the UCAS form. If you rejected your grades, then they technically don't exist.
What grades are you trying to say/not say? your Uni ones or A levels? :s-smilie:

Reply 7

Minerva

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Sounds like his university grades.

I would suggest that the OP investigates the courses and unis he's interested in and contacts the admissions people directly and explains his circumstances - no need to go into huge amounts of detail, just something along the lines of "I made the wrong choice of university course in my own country and would like to apply to your university. What factors would you take into account when considering my application?" If your HS (assume this is the equivalent of A level or IB?) grades were very good, this is helpful as the uni will look at those first. You will need to state on your application that you attended your present university, but unless you were actually awarded a qualification I can't see how you would include any grades from coursework. This is more likely to come up in your reference - have you thought about who you would ask to provide that?

The other thing that you need to think about is your personal statement - be sure to present the information as positively as you can; don't say negative things about the uni you are leaving - say instead that it was the "wrong course" for you -

And no, you are not ruined! As I say, contact the admissions departments for the courses you are interested in and talk to them. You aren't the first person to have made a bad choice and lost motivation and grades as a result.

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OP

wackysparkle

oh har de har har. :rolleyes:

you are obligated to tell them all your education. As for grades, if they are cashed in and you have a paper based qualification certificate then you would have to declare them in the 'grades' section of the UCAS form. If you rejected your grades, then they technically don't exist.
What grades are you trying to say/not say? your Uni ones or A levels? :s-smilie:

OK, there is no official certificate yet... why would there be? The grades exist within faculty system, and within my hands(there is official book every student holds for authorization and proof of subject grades, finished years etc, but this is NOT a qualification).

The diploma is issued only if you finish the course completely, but that would take four years! All I have is a few subjects from Uni from 1st year.
I didn't even try to advance to second year as i decided i'd quit anyway. I'm technically enrolled in 1st year again, but this is just for purposes of free
usage of transport system, supercheap food until i SORT out my next option.

I'm not trying to hide my highschool, as these grades are within top 1-2% i'd say! My reference is written by my previous school teacher and it
is tied to experience in highschool.

As the system is different here, it's hard to compare this to UK equivalents A levels or whatnot. All I know is that Unis seem to accept my HS diploma for admission(so they probably consider it equivalent to UK hs a levels or whatever).

TO kw2005- thx for someone else also replying :smile:

I tried to further describe my situation above, and i gladly welcome further feedback and questions if
anyone thinks that he or she may help me!

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oh I see.
hmm... have you received any 'credits' for these subjects?

Reply 10

Minerva

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wackysparkle

oh I see.
hmm... have you received any 'credits' for these subjects?

Unless the OP wanted to apply for second year entry (which seems unlikely) it doesn't matter even if he did get credits; from what he says though it sounds like it's all or nothing - so he doesn't have and won't have a qualification that he is obliged to declare on the UCAS form. He will however have to say that he spent a year at the university he attended last year; he can't just pretend it never happened.

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Yes I agree with you. Only reason I asked was so that he could at least say that he has completed some modules in his Personal statement - it would be a plus point.
But yes, he has to, regardless, mention that he went to uni last year - hence why I offered some means of expressing it in a positive way.

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wmv94226

This probably isn't the same thing, but I finished school in 2005 and dropped out of sixth in my first year, then went back the following year (Sept 2006) (in second year now), and I haven't mentioned anything that I did in the academic year 2005-2006 in my personal statement, and I have an offer.

Reply 13

OP

hldomster

This probably isn't the same thing, but I finished school in 2005 and dropped out of sixth in my first year, then went back the following year (Sept 2006) (in second year now), and I haven't mentioned anything that I did in the academic year 2005-2006 in my personal statement, and I have an offer.

Could you explain a little bit more in depth what happened?

@other posters-> Yes, i want to start over, fresh from 1st year. I have no qualification. However, i might have some ECTS credits, but it wouldn't matter anyway, would it? I just want to start fresh.

Ok, so i don't mention anything in UCAS, and i just mention in PS that i was briefly in this Uni and try to make it look positively? So this should be it?
In this case, i don't have to mention any grades or subjects or anything at all, just that i was enrolled or what would be best for me to write? I guess i have to make it brief... and put everything in. not easy, right?

once again, thank you all, you are very helpful

PS: about "euqual treatment policy", does this really work? will i miss anything if i send my application in week or two? If this policy is true, nobody should be getting offers until closing date, right? this is strange.

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Well if you didn't get any qualifications you are not obligated to state your grades for individual modules. The credit system would work for transfers really.
I would refer to your past university experience and shed a positive light on it simply because it would work in your favour.
If you are planning on going for the same course but in a different university why don't you just apply for a transfer? that would put your credits to some use at least :s-smilie:

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OP

wackysparkle

Well if you didn't get any qualifications you are not obligated to state your grades for individual modules. The credit system would work for transfers really.
I would refer to your past university experience and shed a positive light on it simply because it would work in your favour.
If you are planning on going for the same course but in a different university why don't you just apply for a transfer? that would put your credits to some use at least :s-smilie:

I don't think it's enough credits, don't know if transfer would work in any case...
Don't want to transfer "disaster" to my new beginning :wink:

In any case, would Uni be positive, or more positive than making up doing something? I think it could be... don't know how tutors think.

And about my equal treatment question, how is that?

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Mention your past university - shed positive light on it. You aren't obligated then to mention what your grades were if you didn't even get the credits. :smile:

Equal treatment should be given to all that apply. If you are an oxbridge student you would have sent your app. off by the 15th of October, in which case you would be getting offers now as they are dealt with first. You shouldn't worry about that because it's not like all the places are used up by the final January deadline.

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OP

wackysparkle

Mention your past university - shed positive light on it. You aren't obligated then to mention what your grades were if you didn't even get the credits. :smile:

Equal treatment should be given to all that apply. If you are an oxbridge student you would have sent your app. off by the 15th of October, in which case you would be getting offers now as they are dealt with first. You shouldn't worry about that because it's not like all the places are used up by the final January deadline.

I'm not Oxbridge, heh :smile:

You've been very helpful- the thing is this... If i just mention Uni, and give HS diplomas, do you think that they would ask me for anything from University(since as you said, i'm not obliged to put grades in UCAS)?

Or it would just be... oh, he's not satisfied there, he was great in HS and let him come here? If they wanted grades from Uni, or compare anything, it wouldn't bode well for me... :frown:

Would it be to my advantage to mention Uni in admission sense? Would this increase my chances, versus just eg travelling around or having a gap year?
On the other hand, i think that my Uni expereince, however bad it might be, could give additional seriousness to my application over someone who hasn't done it yet. But i dunno... just guessing

I don't want to be asked anything about this place, or have anything to do with it anymore. That's why i'm asking... i don't want to lose my hair over this
sh**** place.

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Like I said, mention the university - if you have no paper qualifications from the course you are not obligated to mention grades. They shouldn't check up on you either because you don't technically have any end result from the course.

To make you feel better let me find out from some other people and get back to you :smile:

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