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Can I get full marks for the question if I write the incorrect working (even if they were close to correct - rounding it wrong, missing step... etc.) out but still write the correct answer?
I realised that a lot of the questions in the GCSE maths exams I managed to do this for a number of questions and now I'm worried that I will lose a significant number of marks. I didn't think that it would be an issue but I have been recently told it might be.
I realised that a lot of the questions in the GCSE maths exams I managed to do this for a number of questions and now I'm worried that I will lose a significant number of marks. I didn't think that it would be an issue but I have been recently told it might be.
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Can I get full marks for the question if I write the incorrect working (even if they were close to correct - rounding it wrong, missing step... etc.) out but still write the correct answer?
I realised that a lot of the questions in the GCSE maths exams I managed to do this for a number of questions and now I'm worried that I will lose a significant number of marks. I didn't think that it would be an issue but I have been recently told it might be.
Can I get full marks for the question if I write the incorrect working (even if they were close to correct - rounding it wrong, missing step... etc.) out but still write the correct answer?
I realised that a lot of the questions in the GCSE maths exams I managed to do this for a number of questions and now I'm worried that I will lose a significant number of marks. I didn't think that it would be an issue but I have been recently told it might be.
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(Original post by s4b3rt00th)
Can I get full marks for the question if I write the incorrect working (even if they were close to correct - rounding it wrong, missing step... etc.) out but still write the correct answer?
I realised that a lot of the questions in the GCSE maths exams I managed to do this for a number of questions and now I'm worried that I will lose a significant number of marks. I didn't think that it would be an issue but I have been recently told it might be.
Can I get full marks for the question if I write the incorrect working (even if they were close to correct - rounding it wrong, missing step... etc.) out but still write the correct answer?
I realised that a lot of the questions in the GCSE maths exams I managed to do this for a number of questions and now I'm worried that I will lose a significant number of marks. I didn't think that it would be an issue but I have been recently told it might be.
There's nearly always marks for working as well as marks for the correct answer. You could never get full marks for just writing the correct answer to every question unless it was a 1-marker
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There isn't really a "right" working in maths. If you worked it out and got the final answer you will get all of the marks.
They want to see working so that they know you didn't copy it off someone else. But if they can see you worked to the answer, it doesn't matter which method to use. Unless, of course, it tells you which method to use.
They want to see working so that they know you didn't copy it off someone else. But if they can see you worked to the answer, it doesn't matter which method to use. Unless, of course, it tells you which method to use.
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If it was a 1 marker, then yeah you get all the marks. If it was a 2 marker then yeah you could get the 2 marks. 3+ markers, you will not get full marks as they expect some working.
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If you arrived at the correct answer, likelyhood of your method being somewhat correct is higher than getting the right answer with a random method.
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They want to see working so that they know you didn't copy it off someone else. But if they can see you worked to the answer, it doesn't matter which method to use. Unless, of course, it tells you which method to use.
They want to see working so that they know you didn't copy it off someone else. But if they can see you worked to the answer, it doesn't matter which method to use. Unless, of course, it tells you which method to use.
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You have never seen an examiner's mark scheme, have you?
You have never seen an examiner's mark scheme, have you?
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I have.
I have.
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There isn't really a "right" working in maths. If you worked it out and got the final answer you will get all of the marks.
There isn't really a "right" working in maths. If you worked it out and got the final answer you will get all of the marks.
Q: Simplify 16/64
A: Cancel the 6's to get 1/4.
It's actually not at all uncommon for people to try to sneak in sign changes etc. into their working to fudge their answer to look like the result the examiner's looking for (although I confess I'm not sure how much of an issue this is likely to be at GCSE).
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Yet you appear unaware that they often state something like 'if no errors in working'.
Yet you appear unaware that they often state something like 'if no errors in working'.
You don't have to write down every step and you can round to whatever you want as long as it comes out right.
As I said though, it does depend on the question. If they have asked for a specific method or told you to show the answer is x then workings are important.
There are marks for method if you have got it wrong but they are like a consolation prize. If you get the correct answer, you get the marks anyway.
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This isn't true. To give a fairly frivolous example:
Q: Simplify 16/64
A: Cancel the 6's to get 1/4.
It's actually not at all uncommon for people to try to sneak in sign changes etc. into their working to fudge their answer to look like the result the examiner's looking for (although I confess I'm not sure how much of an issue this is likely to be at GCSE).
This isn't true. To give a fairly frivolous example:
Q: Simplify 16/64
A: Cancel the 6's to get 1/4.
It's actually not at all uncommon for people to try to sneak in sign changes etc. into their working to fudge their answer to look like the result the examiner's looking for (although I confess I'm not sure how much of an issue this is likely to be at GCSE).
I take your point for longer questions but you are extremely unlikely to fluke a longer question. It's not going to happen more than once a paper.
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(Original post by Sternumator)
Your answer would be full marks because the question doesn't ask you to show your working.
Your answer would be full marks because the question doesn't ask you to show your working.
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(Original post by DFranklin)
This isn't true. To give a fairly frivolous example:
Q: Simplify 16/64
A: Cancel the 6's to get 1/4.
It's actually not at all uncommon for people to try to sneak in sign changes etc. into their working to fudge their answer to look like the result the examiner's looking for (although I confess I'm not sure how much of an issue this is likely to be at GCSE).
This isn't true. To give a fairly frivolous example:
Q: Simplify 16/64
A: Cancel the 6's to get 1/4.
It's actually not at all uncommon for people to try to sneak in sign changes etc. into their working to fudge their answer to look like the result the examiner's looking for (although I confess I'm not sure how much of an issue this is likely to be at GCSE).
I love this one as well^^
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(Original post by Sternumator)
You don't have to write down every step and you can round to whatever you want as long as it comes out right.
As I said though, it does depend on the question. If they have asked for a specific method or told you to show the answer is x then workings are important.
There are marks for method if you have got it wrong but they are like a consolation prize. If you get the correct answer, you get the marks anyway.
You don't have to write down every step and you can round to whatever you want as long as it comes out right.
As I said though, it does depend on the question. If they have asked for a specific method or told you to show the answer is x then workings are important.
There are marks for method if you have got it wrong but they are like a consolation prize. If you get the correct answer, you get the marks anyway.
Another question allows either of two methods and is worth up to four marks for either method but only if every step of the method is correct as well as the answer.
There are far more marks, in general, for correct method demonstration than for an answer being correct.
Another question in this same scheme even disallows a correct answer if the method is not seen. Others allow incorrectly rounded answers only if the correct method has been demonstrated.
In short, and regardless of a correct answer for multi-mark questions, no method, no method marks; incorrect method, reduced or no method marks
http://www.aqa.org.uk/subjects/mathe...ment-resources
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You are completely wrong. I am looking now at an AQA maths mark scheme, for instance, which allows for one question any of several methods (using the annotation 'oe' meaning 'or equivalent'
but gives four marks for each step of the method being correct plus one for the right answer. There is leniency for just one sign or expansion error altogether. Getting the right answer but all the steps wrong, as described by the OP, would be worth just one mark.
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You are completely wrong. I am looking now at an AQA maths mark scheme, for instance, which allows for one question any of several methods (using the annotation 'oe' meaning 'or equivalent'
but gives four marks for each step of the method being correct plus one for the right answer. There is leniency for just one sign or expansion error altogether. Getting the right answer but all the steps wrong, as described by the OP, would be worth just one mark..
Questions which ask students to show working
Instructions on marking will be given but usually marks are not awarded to students who show no working.
Questions which do not ask students to show working
As a general principle, a correct response is awarded full marks.
Instructions on marking will be given but usually marks are not awarded to students who show no working.
Questions which do not ask students to show working
As a general principle, a correct response is awarded full marks.
Responses which appear to come from incorrect methods
Whenever there is doubt as to whether a student has used an incorrect method to obtain an answer, as a general principle, the benefit of doubt must be given to the student. In cases where there is no doubt that the answer has come from incorrect working then the student should be penalised.
Whenever there is doubt as to whether a student has used an incorrect method to obtain an answer, as a general principle, the benefit of doubt must be given to the student. In cases where there is no doubt that the answer has come from incorrect working then the student should be penalised.
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Well no...
There's nearly always marks for working as well as marks for the correct answer. You could never get full marks for just writing the correct answer to every question unless it was a 1-marker
Well no...
There's nearly always marks for working as well as marks for the correct answer. You could never get full marks for just writing the correct answer to every question unless it was a 1-marker
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I don't believe this is true for maths GCSE which was the category of this thread. It's definitely true for A Level.
I don't believe this is true for maths GCSE which was the category of this thread. It's definitely true for A Level.
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Did you not read the mark schemes in the link I gave? Take a look at the mark scheme for higher paper 3, which is the one I randomly chose to look at,
Did you not read the mark schemes in the link I gave? Take a look at the mark scheme for higher paper 3, which is the one I randomly chose to look at,
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