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'I almost feel sorry for all those fired-up, Corbyn-cheering Glasto radicals, because no matter how hard they try, no matter how many anti-Tory memes they share or Corbyn-as-Che-Guevara t-shirts they buy, they will never, ever do anything as radical as the thing us Brexiteers did last June.'
This was from Brendan O'Neill, editor of Spiked. Do you agree?
This was from Brendan O'Neill, editor of Spiked. Do you agree?
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(Original post by Pleasantri)
'I almost feel sorry for all those fired-up, Corbyn-cheering Glasto radicals, because no matter how hard they try, no matter how many anti-Tory memes they share or Corbyn-as-Che-Guevara t-shirts they buy, they will never, ever do anything as radical as the thing us Brexiteers did last June.'
This was from Brendan O'Neill, editor of Spiked. Do you agree?
'I almost feel sorry for all those fired-up, Corbyn-cheering Glasto radicals, because no matter how hard they try, no matter how many anti-Tory memes they share or Corbyn-as-Che-Guevara t-shirts they buy, they will never, ever do anything as radical as the thing us Brexiteers did last June.'
This was from Brendan O'Neill, editor of Spiked. Do you agree?
Corbyn on the other hand and his support shows new labour is truly dead and a leftist socialist style labour still has a place in politics.
Now you tell me what's more radical.
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(Original post by sada22)
Brexit has no political alignment. Many traditional labour voters voted brexit as well as tory and UKIP supporters.
Corbyn on the other hand and his support shows new labour is truly dead and a leftist socialist style labour still has a place in politics.
Now you tell me what's more radical.
Brexit has no political alignment. Many traditional labour voters voted brexit as well as tory and UKIP supporters.
Corbyn on the other hand and his support shows new labour is truly dead and a leftist socialist style labour still has a place in politics.
Now you tell me what's more radical.
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(Original post by JMR2017)
I am a Corbynista and a Brexiteer so there you go.
I am a Corbynista and a Brexiteer so there you go.
All he did was return you to 2010, when you lot were booted out of government and the auspices of austerity headed our way.
What an achievement for him! At least it was better than Ed Miliband though in 2015.
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(Original post by Pleasantri)
Don't you feel let down then by your pathetic leader then? With his half-arsed pro-remain because that's what my whips tell me to do.
All he did was return you to 2010, when you lot were booted out of government and the auspices of austerity headed our way.
What an achievement for him! At least it was better than Ed Miliband though in 2015.
Don't you feel let down then by your pathetic leader then? With his half-arsed pro-remain because that's what my whips tell me to do.
All he did was return you to 2010, when you lot were booted out of government and the auspices of austerity headed our way.
What an achievement for him! At least it was better than Ed Miliband though in 2015.
Returning us to 2010 is definitely a step in the right direction, first time Labour has gained seats since 1997, and the first time Labour has increased their vote share by such a great amount since 1945. I would call that a success bearing in mind the circumstances!
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Hitler and Stalin also radically changed politics and the world. What is his point?
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(Original post by Pleasantri)
I will indeed. Brexit. We as Brexiteers fully knew the reaction we could expect from the anti-democratic Left of Britain. Yet we voted that way anyway (17 million of us). Your Corbyn didn't even manage the same popular vote share as Theresa May.
I will indeed. Brexit. We as Brexiteers fully knew the reaction we could expect from the anti-democratic Left of Britain. Yet we voted that way anyway (17 million of us). Your Corbyn didn't even manage the same popular vote share as Theresa May.
Also, Corbyn is more anti EU than all tory frontbenchers.
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(Original post by Akamega)
Hitler and Stalin also radically changed politics and the world. What is his point?
Hitler and Stalin also radically changed politics and the world. What is his point?
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I don't care because it's not some silly little points scoring exercise where the measure of success or failure is if the change gets ranked above or below some other change.
This 'my team' mentality is moronic. People that will defend party policy to the ends of the earth because it's the team they backed and being 'right' is more important than what is right.
I don't need Corbyn to be perfect, I don't need him to beat other people for the satisfaction of scoring points. I backed him because I believed mine and everyone else's life would actually be better under his leadership than the alternative.
Saying 'ha, we made a bigger change than you did' is infantile, if the change is right that alone should be why it's satisfying, not because you beat some people you don't agree with.
This 'my team' mentality is moronic. People that will defend party policy to the ends of the earth because it's the team they backed and being 'right' is more important than what is right.
I don't need Corbyn to be perfect, I don't need him to beat other people for the satisfaction of scoring points. I backed him because I believed mine and everyone else's life would actually be better under his leadership than the alternative.
Saying 'ha, we made a bigger change than you did' is infantile, if the change is right that alone should be why it's satisfying, not because you beat some people you don't agree with.
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(Original post by Pleasantri)
Hahaha. Now we enter the world of Hitler/Stalinist politics (someting that murdered millions of people), because the Left disagrees with it. Carry on.
Hahaha. Now we enter the world of Hitler/Stalinist politics (someting that murdered millions of people), because the Left disagrees with it. Carry on.
My point is change does not necessarily mean it will always be a good thing. I'm not calling people who voted leave Nazi's or whatever, that's ridiculous.
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(Original post by sada22)
Then why does it bother you so much? lol
Also, Corbyn is more anti EU than all tory frontbenchers.
Then why does it bother you so much? lol
Also, Corbyn is more anti EU than all tory frontbenchers.
I DO NOT believe our country would be best served by Labour, but I am angry at my own Tory party.
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(Original post by Pleasantri)
I am angry at Theresa May for taking us for such thick ***** as the electorate, and arrogantly calling this election. Could't be arsed to campaign ... or debate with the others.
I DO NOT believe our country would be best served by Labour, but I am angry at my own Tory party.
I am angry at Theresa May for taking us for such thick ***** as the electorate, and arrogantly calling this election. Could't be arsed to campaign ... or debate with the others.
I DO NOT believe our country would be best served by Labour, but I am angry at my own Tory party.
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(Original post by Akamega)
What is wrong with my point? Do you not agree that Hitler 'radically changed' politics?
My point is change does not necessarily mean it will always be a good thing. I'm not calling people who voted leave Nazi's or whatever, that's ridiculous.
What is wrong with my point? Do you not agree that Hitler 'radically changed' politics?
My point is change does not necessarily mean it will always be a good thing. I'm not calling people who voted leave Nazi's or whatever, that's ridiculous.
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(Original post by sada22)
You know what you're problem is? Treating it like a game. As if it's a competition to see who's most radical. You right wingers can stick this nonsense where the sun doesnt shine.
You know what you're problem is? Treating it like a game. As if it's a competition to see who's most radical. You right wingers can stick this nonsense where the sun doesnt shine.
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(Original post by Pleasantri)
I do indeed. But the Left always end up using Hitler to utterly stifle debate. Please do forgive me if i gave the impression I was doing so.
I do indeed. But the Left always end up using Hitler to utterly stifle debate. Please do forgive me if i gave the impression I was doing so.
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(Original post by Akamega)
In this case, the best example was the most inflammatory.
In this case, the best example was the most inflammatory.
I am pro-democracy. Everything the 'EU' claims to represent.
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It's not success going from suspected failure, to a mediocre result
(Original post by JMR2017)
Well I don't think Corbyn actively campaigning for leave would have been a possibility!
Returning us to 2010 is definitely a step in the right direction, first time Labour has gained seats since 1997, and the first time Labour has increased their vote share by such a great amount since 1945. I would call that a success bearing in mind the circumstances!
Well I don't think Corbyn actively campaigning for leave would have been a possibility!
Returning us to 2010 is definitely a step in the right direction, first time Labour has gained seats since 1997, and the first time Labour has increased their vote share by such a great amount since 1945. I would call that a success bearing in mind the circumstances!
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(Original post by JMR2017)
Well I don't think Corbyn actively campaigning for leave would have been a possibility!
Returning us to 2010 is definitely a step in the right direction, first time Labour has gained seats since 1997, and the first time Labour has increased their vote share by such a great amount since 1945. I would call that a success bearing in mind the circumstances!
Well I don't think Corbyn actively campaigning for leave would have been a possibility!
Returning us to 2010 is definitely a step in the right direction, first time Labour has gained seats since 1997, and the first time Labour has increased their vote share by such a great amount since 1945. I would call that a success bearing in mind the circumstances!
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