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    Hello everyone, on a scale of 1-10, how likely is it that I would be able to somehow get a shadowing opportunity at either Broadmoor, Rampton or Ashworth hospital? Or any other lower security psychiatric hospitals?
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    Unlikely. No one can really give you a number. What is it that makes you want to do this in particular? Even if psychiatry is what you're potentially interested in, high security is so niche that you'd be much better off getting some general experience. Medical applications aren't necessarily looking for weird and wonderful work experience - they're looking to see that you have some shadowing experience that has given you a realistic insight into what it's like to be a doctor.
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    As a med student, sure.

    Before that? Doubtful. Contact them and asking would probably be a better way of finding out than asking tsr though...
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    I know someone who had a placement at broadmoor, so they certainly do take students. I don't know how she arranged it though


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    (Original post by redhelen)
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    I'm 21.

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    Unlikely. No one can really give you a number. What is it that makes you want to do this in particular? Even if psychiatry is what you're potentially interested in, high security is so niche that you'd be much better off getting some general experience. Medical applications aren't necessarily looking for weird and wonderful work experience - they're looking to see that you have some shadowing experience that has given you a realistic insight into what it's like to be a doctor.
    Psychiatry is what I'm potentially interested in and I am aware that it is unlikely to do any shadowing in the area, but a lot of it was out of curiosity. I'm applying in 2018 so have a year to get general experience alongside finishing my final year (and being in London getting varied experience won't be that hard hopefully), but I thought it would be nice to have an extra angle, as well as to satisfy curiosity.
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    (Original post by gradmed305)
    I'm 21.



    Psychiatry is what I'm potentially interested in and I am aware that it is unlikely to do any shadowing in the area, but a lot of it was out of curiosity. I'm applying in 2018 so have a year to get general experience alongside finishing my final year (and being in London getting varied experience won't be that hard hopefully), but I thought it would be nice to have an extra angle, as well as to satisfy curiosity.
    If you've got a year to play with, I'd get as much general work experience as you can - GP or hospital medicine (which could include general adult psych). Forensic psychiatry really is like nothing else in Medicine - it's even quite a different animal to the other psychiatry sub-specialties. Your work experience should show that you've got an idea about what your 'typical' medical career might be like (since the vast majority of people will become physicians, surgeons or GPs, and at the very least you'll spend your two foundation years mostly in those areas) - shadowing a very niche specialist would, I think, be less valuable in terms of med school applications.

    Not to say you couldn't or shouldn't apply to spend a little bit of time somewhere like that if you really want to - they can only say no. No-one is really going to be able to tell you how likely it is that you'll get a shadowing place, but for what it's worth I've done self-selected placements in both Wathwood (medium-secure unit) and Rampton, and I never saw any students at either who weren't already studying Medicine. Kind of following on from that - if you end up being a medical student, you will have plenty of opportunities to do a placement in a secure unit, so there really isn't any rush.
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    (Original post by *pitseleh*)
    If you've got a year to play with, I'd get as much general work experience as you can - GP or hospital medicine (which could include general adult psych). Forensic psychiatry really is like nothing else in Medicine - it's even quite a different animal to the other psychiatry sub-specialties. Your work experience should show that you've got an idea about what your 'typical' medical career might be like (since the vast majority of people will become physicians, surgeons or GPs, and at the very least you'll spend your two foundation years mostly in those areas) - shadowing a very niche specialist would, I think, be less valuable in terms of med school applications.

    Not to say you couldn't or shouldn't apply to spend a little bit of time somewhere like that if you really want to - they can only say no. No-one is really going to be able to tell you how likely it is that you'll get a shadowing place, but for what it's worth I've done self-selected placements in both Wathwood (medium-secure unit) and Rampton, and I never saw any students at either who weren't already studying Medicine. Kind of following on from that - if you end up being a medical student, you will have plenty of opportunities to do a placement in a secure unit, so there really isn't any rush.
    Thank you for your advice! I actually technically have two years to play with since I'll be going for 2019 entry, but only 1 year between now and applying. Most of that year will be whilst I'm at university so I'll need to balance a lot alongside studying. I'm planning to do some hospital volunteering alongside volunteering in a charity shop (which I already do) so if that works out I won't hve time for anything else long-term. This means that I'll probably end up with a lot of short term work experience (1-2 weeks). I know thay typically universities are quality over quantity and I probably won't be able to include everything on my personal statement, but do you advise doing this or maybe doing more long term stuff but less of it?
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    I'm a student nurse currently based at Rampton hospital. They take a variety of students; nursing, medics, psychology, OT, SLT...basically any health professional or med field. However, depending on your area it is pretty difficult to get the opportunity. Your best bet is to contact the hospital's education centre (via switchboard) and enquire about it. You may have to do an interview or short application.

    If you were to be accepted you'd then have to do certain training (managing violence and agression 'breakaways', security training etc) and have an enhanced DBS check.

    Like others have said, high secure hospitals are very niche and there is nothing like it. So I would say it's experience worth looking at- just to experience it. I love it so much and the work I've done here has been amazing. Also, feel free to inbox me if you wanna ask anything more.
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    (Original post by gradmed305)
    Thank you for your advice! I actually technically have two years to play with since I'll be going for 2019 entry, but only 1 year between now and applying. Most of that year will be whilst I'm at university so I'll need to balance a lot alongside studying. I'm planning to do some hospital volunteering alongside volunteering in a charity shop (which I already do) so if that works out I won't hve time for anything else long-term. This means that I'll probably end up with a lot of short term work experience (1-2 weeks). I know thay typically universities are quality over quantity and I probably won't be able to include everything on my personal statement, but do you advise doing this or maybe doing more long term stuff but less of it?
    Ah, I see. I don't think there really is a right answer about whether you should have a greater number of short-term placements or a smaller number of long-term ones. I can see advantages in both - but maybe emailing some of the universities you're interested in might help you decide how best to plan your work experience over the next year?
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    (Original post by *pitseleh*)
    Ah, I see. I don't think there really is a right answer about whether you should have a greater number of short-term placements or a smaller number of long-term ones. I can see advantages in both - but maybe emailing some of the universities you're interested in might help you decide how best to plan your work experience over the next year?
    Yeah I'll do that - thank you for your advice
 
 
 
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