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Reply 1
anybody?
Reply 2
A PhD is not the same as a master (LLM), it is research only.

Yes, you can go straight into Post-graduate studies.

Universities in UK want you to have a university degree :smile: mainly, but there are different other requirements from universities.

Here's the form for LLM studies at UCL:

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/prospective-students/graduate-study/application-admission/downloadable-applications/graduateforms.pdf

You will often have to include some sort of references. It could be wise to ask your current teachers if they could write them for you.

When you do a PhD, you will take on research which is around 3-5 years.

Good Luck!
Reply 3
Yip, I'm going on to do Postgraduate study after this LLB lark.

That is, applications pending, of course :smile:
Do you have the money set in stone for the PhD, is it yours from the govt to take anywhere?

if so so long as you get a 2:1 all unis will take that money from you and let you register for a PhD. DO it. PLUS do not forget most unis, register you for an MPhil degree and then after 12-18 months you are upgraded to a PhD ststus. You could leave after 18months with the MPhil if you just wanted a masters and not go on for another 2-3yrs
Reply 6
Dreama
Yip, I'm going on to do Postgraduate study after this LLB lark.

That is, applications pending, of course :smile:



Did you apply to any US unis, as you were considering out of interest?

On the topic of this thread - it is not actually that rare to go straight to PhD from LLB, or LLB+BVC to PhD. I know a few lecturers who did, and - particularly at Cambridge - quite a few of the research candidates have not completed an LLM / BCL. Quite why you'd want to go straight to research is unknown to me - you must presumably have a very clear idea of what you want to do already; but, having only completed at most one or two dissertations, I wonder how you can be confident of the topic's suitability.
Reply 7
mr_lawyer
Did you apply to any US unis, as you were considering out of interest?


Perhaps :p:

I'm very excited about this LLM lark... :biggrin:
Reply 8
Hull_Fan_Sid
You should probably register for a research based masters which can be used as a basis for a PhD topic. Like the above poster says, Mphil or may-be Mst. Suppose if they really will fund the PhD back at home then perhaps the masters would be a good investment to make. Also, there are scholarships for masters in the UK at many universities but under many schemes I notice that international students often receive less unless it is specifically for international students. Dundee sponsors one or two research based LLM's a year.


When you apply to do a PhD you are technicaly registered for an MPhil and then you have to be "upgraded" to doctoral research status. If you aren't good enough in the first bit you never make it on to the PhD route.
Um.. To me that sounds a good reason for applying for an Mphil then (doah) Besides, you can become a probationary research student on a PhD with no Mphil attached. It depends on the institution.
Reply 10
FinallyWoken
Um.. To me that sounds a good reason for applying for an Mphil then (doah)


You can't swap across. You apply to do a PhD but the university does as I described.

Besides, you can become a probationary research student on a PhD with no Mphil attached. It depends on the institution.


That is another way of saying what I posted in that if you aren't good enough/don't perform they will give you the opportunity to read for an MPhil.
Ethereal
You can't swap across. You apply to do a PhD but the university does as I described.



That is another way of saying what I posted in that if you aren't good enough/don't perform they will give you the opportunity to read for an MPhil.


You don't swop across at my university. You get a grade for it, a cap and gown and then progress to a PhD for the latter two years which is not graded. You were suggesting that I did not know what I was on about, not to mention unneccessarily being a 'clever dick' so I thought I'd knock you down a notch because your posts generally irritate me.
Reply 12
FinallyWoken
You don't swop across at my university. You get a grade for it, a cap and gown and then progress to a PhD for the latter two years which is not graded. You were suggesting that I did not know what I was on about, not to mention unneccessarily being a 'clever dick' so I thought I'd knock you down a notch because your posts generally irritate me.


No PhD is graded. I also don't believe they graduate you as an MPhil and then let you finish it off as a PhD. That's illogical as the graduation ceremony is for when a Degree is awarded and if you are only part way you haven't had it awarded yet. Therefore, I still suspect you don't know what you are talkign about.

Good for you being irritated. Unfortunately that doesn't bother me one way or another and so I haven't been knocked anywhere.
Reply 13
you must do a masters before a doctorate
Ethereal
No PhD is graded. I also don't believe they graduate you as an MPhil and then let you finish it off as a PhD. That's illogical as the graduation ceremony is for when a Degree is awarded and if you are only part way you haven't had it awarded yet. Therefore, I still suspect you don't know what you are talkign about.

Good for you being irritated. Unfortunately that doesn't bother me one way or another and so I haven't been knocked anywhere.


Have you ever heard of the ERSC 1+3 programme. At Cambridge you do a Mphil on a narrow range of your topic to pass the qualifying test which gives you a grade. This is important for selection for academic posts and helped reveal the quality of your research work. Then you do 3 years PhD on a broader topic. The masters qualifies you in research methods and gives a grade indication to work on.


Oxford: Mst (pass or distinction) + two years Dphil.
BCL+ Mphil (graded) + two years Dphil.

At least the qualifying triangle provides more detail.

As a funded researcher I know plenty but should get out more, thats true
Reply 15
FinallyWoken
Have you ever heard of the ERSC 1+3 programme. At Cambridge you do a Mphil on a narrow range of your topic to pass the qualifying test which gives you a grade. This is important for selection for academic posts and helped reveal the quality of your research work. Then you do 3 years PhD on a broader topic. The masters qualifies you in research methods.


Technically two degrees.

At Oxford BCL + Mphil (pass or distinction) then 2 years Dphil

Or Mst + two years Dphil.

Universities in failing Northern towns PhD, wowie


technically two degrees.

Well done. You have just comprehensively proven the point opposite to that you were making.
Ethereal
Technically two degrees.



technically two degrees.

Well done. You have just comprehensively proven the point opposite to that you were making.


Um, excuse me. You were the one twit who stated it makes no sense to graduate from an Mphil then do two years Dphil. Well actually it does because you can. Above you said you could not. What is so contradictory about that one.
Reply 17
Your posts were suggestive it is all part of one degree; it clearly isn't.
My University is Oxford, so yes it is part of one degree. At Cambridge, no it is not. But it demonstrates that Mphils serve other purposes than immediate PhD progression and it is legitimate to register for them within their own right
I agree that the Mphil in research methods at Cambridge is excellent preparation for quantitative research. It also seems to provide a vast range of projects and a great deal of helpful instruction.