Loughborough or Southampton for Politics and International Relations?

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At the moment I'm applying to the University of Birmingham for 2 courses, Cardiff University and the University of York. I'm torn between Loughborough and Southampton for my final choice.
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At the moment I'm applying to the University of Birmingham for 2 courses, Cardiff University and the University of York. I'm torn between Loughborough and Southampton for my final choice.
You don't have to apply to all 5 choices at once. I suggest you apply to Birmingham, Cardiff and York and leave one space open for a month or two, that way you can re-assess your position once you've heard back from a few universities. It will also give you longer to think about where you might want to apply, there's no rush.
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At the moment I'm applying to the University of Birmingham for 2 courses, Cardiff University and the University of York. I'm torn between Loughborough and Southampton for my final choice.
Also if you want to know which of the two is superior it is probably best to inform us a bit about what you like / want in a course, while I don't do that specific course I have shared lectures with and have friends who do both Politics and International relations at Loughborough.
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I am also thinking of applying to similar unis and same subjects as you! May I ask what your predicteds AS and GCSEs are? Best of luck.
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Also if you want to know which of the two is superior it is probably best to inform us a bit about what you like / want in a course, while I don't do that specific course I have shared lectures with and have friends who do both Politics and International relations at Loughborough.
I'm interested in the standard of teaching I'm going to receive. I'm aware that Loughbrough ranks highly for Politics and International Relations compared with Southampton, even though Southampton has Russell Group status. My fifth choice is going to be my 'safe' choice as the entry requirements are relatively low for both courses, e.g. Loughborough only asks for ABB and Southampton asks for ABB (or BBB if you've achieved an A in the EPQ - I achieved an A*) or BBBB if you're taking four A-levels (I am) or BBBC with an A in the EPQ. I would firm neither university to be honest with you because I'm looking at Birmingham for International Law and Globalisation.
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You don't have to apply to all 5 choices at once. I suggest you apply to Birmingham, Cardiff and York and leave one space open for a month or two, that way you can re-assess your position once you've heard back from a few universities. It will also give you longer to think about where you might want to apply, there's no rush.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Thank you very much.
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I am also thinking of applying to similar unis and same subjects as you! May I ask what your predicteds AS and GCSEs are? Best of luck.
I achieved poor GCSEs compared with your average TSR student. I didn't really revise at all.

My GCSEs: A*BBBBBCCCC

My predictions: AAAB
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I'm interested in the standard of teaching I'm going to receive. I'm aware that Loughbrough ranks highly for Politics and International Relations compared with Southampton, even though Southampton has Russell Group status. My fifth choice is going to be my 'safe' choice as the entry requirements are relatively low for both courses, e.g. Loughborough only asks for ABB and Southampton asks for ABB (or BBB if you've achieved an A in the EPQ - I achieved an A*) or BBBB if you're taking four A-levels (I am) or BBBC with an A in the EPQ. I would firm neither university to be honest with you because I'm looking at Birmingham for International Law and Globalisation.
Of course slightly biased since I go to Loughborough but I really don't care for the Russell Group, it is just a big branding exercise with a couple of Universities in it that really need to up their game (My Local university, QUB who really irritated me by using being in the Russell Group as their main selling point) and I would always rather have people who are better at teaching at undergraduate level than someone who is an amazing researcher but can't explain things very well. Now that my rant on that is over

For teaching in the department I have found the Politics department to have lecturers who are a lot more engaging than my main course, with a lot of interaction and trying to get a bit of debate going even in the lectures. A fun thing about these lectures is also Loughborough has lecturers who have extremely different political views, meaning not only do you get a well rounded education but it is fun to see the lecturers having good-natured jabs at each other.

The best thing about the teaching at Loughborough in the politics department I think are the seminars (20-30 people in a class). Here I find the level of engagement and enthusiasm from a lot of post-grads taking these to be far and above the level that would normally be provided. You do learn some really interesting things and they are extremely good at developing on content covered in lectures.
My only real critique of the department is they are not always the best at explaining how they actually want you to be writing your essays and the style they prefer (Though I may have missed this with the fact I only do a couple of modules with the department)
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I achieved poor GCSEs compared with your average TSR student. I didn't really revise at all.

My GCSEs: A*BBBBBCCCC

My predictions: AAAB
Your GCSE's aren't bad at all! Remember the student room attracts just a tiny proportion of the total students in the UK.

I would strongly advise you to look at places like Kings College London and QMUL. If you want to study politics and ir London is the place to do it.
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Your GCSE's aren't bad at all! Remember the student room attracts just a tiny proportion of the total students in the UK.

I would strongly advise you to look at places like Kings College London and QMUL. If you want to study politics and ir London is the place to do it.

I honestly cannot afford the cost of living in London, lmao. Where are you looking to apply?
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Of course slightly biased since I go to Loughborough but I really don't care for the Russell Group, it is just a big branding exercise with a couple of Universities in it that really need to up their game (My Local university, QUB who really irritated me by using being in the Russell Group as their main selling point) and I would always rather have people who are better at teaching at undergraduate level than someone who is an amazing researcher but can't explain things very well. Now that my rant on that is over

For teaching in the department I have found the Politics department to have lecturers who are a lot more engaging than my main course, with a lot of interaction and trying to get a bit of debate going even in the lectures. A fun thing about these lectures is also Loughborough has lecturers who have extremely different political views, meaning not only do you get a well rounded education but it is fun to see the lecturers having good-natured jabs at each other.

The best thing about the teaching at Loughborough in the politics department I think are the seminars (20-30 people in a class). Here I find the level of engagement and enthusiasm from a lot of post-grads taking these to be far and above the level that would normally be provided. You do learn some really interesting things and they are extremely good at developing on content covered in lectures.
My only real critique of the department is they are not always the best at explaining how they actually want you to be writing your essays and the style they prefer (Though I may have missed this with the fact I only do a couple of modules with the department)
Thank you for your informative answer to my question. I completely agree with your views on the Russell Group. I participated in a couple of mock Politics and International Relations lectures at Loughborough and I totally agree with you, I was really drawn in by the professors. What subject do you major in if you don't mind me asking and which Politics and IR modules do you take?
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Thank you for your informative answer to my question. I completely agree with your views on the Russell Group. I participated in a couple of mock Politics and International Relations lectures at Loughborough and I totally agree with you, I was really drawn in by the professors. What subject do you major in if you don't mind me asking and which Politics and IR modules do you take?
So my subject is Economics and I did Introduction to Democratic Government and Political Ideologies as my optional modules
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So my subject is Economics and I did Introduction to Democratic Government and Political Ideologies as my optional modules
Economics? Sweet. I would have totally studied Economics but I suck at Mathematics.

How did you find Political Ideologies? I was looking at that particular module on Loughborough's webpage - it looks awesome.
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Economics? Sweet. I would have totally studied Economics but I suck at Mathematics.

How did you find Political Ideologies? I was looking at that particular module on Loughborough's webpage - it looks awesome.
So Political Ideologies is available as either a 10 or 20 credit module, with everyone doing 3 hours of lectures every week, 20 credit people get an extra hour in a seminar and do coursework. 10 credit people just have the lectures and do an exam.

So every week we did a new topic going from The concept of ideologies, Marxism, Nationalism, Conservatism, Liberalism, Socialism, Anarchism, Fascism, Multiculturalism, Feminism and Environmentalism. Which we would get a 2 hour lecture on and then we would have a 1 hour lecture to look closely at a specific point within each of them.

Most of the lectures were taken by one lecturer, though Fascism and Nationalism were taken by lecturers who specialised in those areas. It was also quite interesting as throughout the term our lectures did tend to time up very well with real world examples of each ideology and it was a particularly good module for looking at real world examples. As it is a lecture that isn't recorded and the slides can't contain the required pages of text that is gone over in the lecture, you do actually have to be thinking and writing down detailed notes at all times, meaning it isn't a lecture were you are falling asleep
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