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I've heard goldsmiths is pretty progressive/left orientated. now if you're not into protests and radical social movements is there anything left for you there? i'm asking this because i'm interested in studying politics but I want to approach it from a neutral point of view instead of being indoctrinated and shunned for possibly non-mainstream opinions. any info would be much appreciated. cheers.
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I've heard goldsmiths is pretty progressive/left orientated. now if you're not into protests and radical social movements is there anything left for you there? i'm asking this because i'm interested in studying politics but I want to approach it from a neutral point of view instead of being indoctrinated and shunned for possibly non-mainstream opinions. any info would be much appreciated. cheers.
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I'm having the same thoughts, thinking about changing uni because of this.
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I've heard goldsmiths is pretty progressive/left orientated. now if you're not into protests and radical social movements is there anything left for you there? i'm asking this because i'm interested in studying politics but I want to approach it from a neutral point of view instead of being indoctrinated and shunned for possibly non-mainstream opinions. any info would be much appreciated. cheers.
I'm so, so glad that I'm not the only one who has thought about it. If I had to put a a label on myself, I'd probably be classed as a "Classical Liberal", and given Goldsmiths reputation, a few shadows of doubt are being casted in my mind. I'm a bit worried that the lectures are going to be nothing but "look at how much of a victim you are under capitalism" brainwashing sessions.

Like you, I'm interested in hearing all sides and learning the truth. I don't want to be told how opressed I am, I want to become the best academic I could possibly be and search for the truth and how to better myself both as a thinker and a person.

Perhaps it would be good for me and you to keep in touch, given the fact we both feel the same problem arising. Drop me a message (if you want) and maybe we can create our own social bubble with others who aren't part of the radical left which dominates Goldsmiths (perhaps we could form a society over time?)
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Hello,

Second year Goldsmiths student here. Goldsmiths isn't it's reputation. Most of the students here are just going to their lectures, doing their work and going about their daily lives. There are protest and they do hold student union events when there are elections, political events, etc but don't worry, it's not forced down your throat, nor are you forced to go, nor does anyone care if you don't. People from all walks of life go here, with a wide variety of interests. Some people are all about politics, some people don't care at all.

People are not brainwashed here, and it's ludicrous to think so, so don't worry about it. Honestly, from my experience, the most important thing on any students mind is their course. Goldsmiths is more about freedom of expression, than "radical left" ideologies.

While I can't speak directly for politics students as it's not what I study, the lecturers here are extremely professional and encourage you to think freely and to speak your mind. Don't expect to not see feminists and social justice warriors, but you'll see that anywhere you go because we have free speech. Goldsmiths is so much more than it's politics. If a difference in political opinion is enough to put you off, then maybe Goldsmiths isn't for you.

""look at how much of a victim you are under capitalism" brainwashing sessions."
Perhaps you should get in touch with people from the university, such as student union members or politics lecturers with regards to your worries rather than going off of reputation.

"I don't want to be told how opressed I am" This isn't going to happen, unless of course you are oppressed.

"maybe we can create our own social bubble with others who aren't part of the radical left which dominates Goldsmiths" Can I ask where you got this idea from? I disagree heavily with the terms 'radical' and 'dominates' here. Regardless of university, you should be open to meeting and having relationships with people from all walks of life. It would be a shame to only socialise with people who think the same as you as one thing university is about is opening your mind to different ideas, whether you agree with them or not.

People go to Goldsmiths because it is a good, established, well-renowned university. Not because people agree with their political ideologies.
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Hello,

Second year Goldsmiths student here. Goldsmiths isn't it's reputation. Most of the students here are just going to their lectures, doing their work and going about their daily lives. There are protest and they do hold student union events when there are elections, political events, etc but don't worry, it's not forced down your throat, nor are you forced to go, nor does anyone care if you don't. People from all walks of life go here, with a wide variety of interests. Some people are all about politics, some people don't care at all.

People are not brainwashed here, and it's ludicrous to think so, so don't worry about it. Honestly, from my experience, the most important thing on any students mind is their course. Goldsmiths is more about freedom of expression, than "radical left" ideologies.

While I can't speak directly for politics students as it's not what I study, the lecturers here are extremely professional and encourage you to think freely and to speak your mind. Don't expect to not see feminists and social justice warriors, but you'll see that anywhere you go because we have free speech. Goldsmiths is so much more than it's politics. If a difference in political opinion is enough to put you off, then maybe Goldsmiths isn't for you.

""look at how much of a victim you are under capitalism" brainwashing sessions."
Perhaps you should get in touch with people from the university, such as student union members or politics lecturers with regards to your worries rather than going off of reputation.

"I don't want to be told how opressed I am" This isn't going to happen, unless of course you are oppressed.

"maybe we can create our own social bubble with others who aren't part of the radical left which dominates Goldsmiths" Can I ask where you got this idea from? I disagree heavily with the terms 'radical' and 'dominates' here. Regardless of university, you should be open to meeting and having relationships with people from all walks of life. It would be a shame to only socialise with people who think the same as you as one thing university is about is opening your mind to different ideas, whether you agree with them or not.

People go to Goldsmiths because it is a good, established, well-renowned university. Not because people agree with their political ideologies.
Thanks for the response, well appreciated.

I don't want to start a huge debate on a forum, but I do feel as though I need to address the accusation that I want to create "my own social bubble". I don't want to bombard you with my past political activities, but I have no problem "having relationships with people from all walks of life". I have all sorts of friends with all sorts of opinions, ranging from communists to pro-Thatcher Brexiteers.

Given the cases of Bahar Mustafa and the past failure of the Rugby team to seperate politics from sport, I think it's reasonable for those of us who don't allign ourselves with the stance of the SU, who just want to get on with our studies and perhaps get involved with any campus debates etc. to perhaps be a little concerned. But thanks for clarifying that there is no need for concern; I suppose all sorts of rumours get thrown around by people who are just about to start.

Again, and please don't take this personally, but I don't think it's fair of you to accuse me of not opening my mind to opposite beliefs based on a couple of comments on an online forum, especially when I am involved in a fair few debating groups in my hometown.

Take care
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Thanks for the response, well appreciated.

I don't want to start a huge debate on a forum, but I do feel as though I need to address the accusation that I want to create "my own social bubble". I don't want to bombard you with my past political activities, but I have no problem "having relationships with people from all walks of life". I have all sorts of friends with all sorts of opinions, ranging from communists to pro-Thatcher Brexiteers.

Given the cases of Bahar Mustafa and the past failure of the Rugby team to seperate politics from sport, I think it's reasonable for those of us who don't allign ourselves with the stance of the SU, who just want to get on with our studies and perhaps get involved with any campus debates etc. to perhaps be a little concerned. But thanks for clarifying that there is no need for concern; I suppose all sorts of rumours get thrown around by people who are just about to start.

Again, and please don't take this personally, but I don't think it's fair of you to accuse me of not opening my mind to opposite beliefs based on a couple of comments on an online forum, especially when I am involved in a fair few debating groups in my hometown.

Take care
My apologies, I wasn't trying to accuse you of anything, it was just general advice, sorry if it came off that way

My general point is, if you would have no problem becoming friends with different people, then neither will any other rationally thinking person. And if someone did, then you're probably be better off without them. There's more rational people in goldsmiths than not.

The Bahar Mustafa case, might ease your mind to know that many people found her in the wrong. I'm sure you know, those people are everywhere, not just goldsmiths. In my time there, I have never seen a poster saying 'No cis white males allowed in here' (Goldsmiths is predominantly white anyway )

I really believe, from being there for a year (going into my second, should've clarified), that goldsmiths 'ideology' i(for lack of a better word) is just about including everyone, no matter what you look like, who you like or what you believe in.

The student union is more a social part of the university and their views are (to the best of my knowledge) not affiliated with the university. So, what the SU thinks is not necessarily what the university think (I have trouble explaining myself, apologies). If you want to focus on your studies, then don't worry, you can do that and still have time for political debates without the SU. You'd be surprised to know that there's plenty of people who agree with your political views. Mine might, I'm more of a 'I may disagree with what you say, but I'll defend your right to say it' type of person.

In all honesty, I'm not sure how many people are actively engaged in the SU. I wasn't particularly, neither were any of my flat mates nor class mates. Nor did it seem that many people in my halls were, but I'm not too sure. All I know is you can be an active member of societies without having to be an active member of the SU, so you can still be a part of debates in the uni. They're like two separate things.

I don't want to tell you that no one will heatedly disagree with you at goldsmiths, because that isn't true. But that's going to happen wherever you engage yourself with politics.

All I'm trying to say is that goldsmiths isn't tumblr. Most of the people there aren't special snowflakes and are just normal students trying to pass their modules because a degree from goldsmiths looks pretty good on a CV. The teachers aren't going to tell you your oppressed, in fact, they want to build your knowledge and confidence. In fact, when I had a time where I was deeply unsettled at goldsmiths (due to external factors) it was one lecturer of mine that reminded me why I wanted to study in the first place. The lecturers here are superb.

I'm sure you will, but just remember you are there to learn and if you disagree with anything said, (by tutor or student) ask them to elaborate and open your ears to discussion instead of fixating on being right (again, not an accusation, just a reminder, because I had a problem with this too sometimes. You may find yourself learning a lot).

If you do end up coming to goldsmiths, you'll probably love it, because the most important thing is political engagement, no matter what you believe. And if political discussion is important to you, then you'll be able to find it without having your head bit off.

Oh god, this got really long. Sorry bout that. I just thought it'd be wise to clear up some rumors because I worried too.
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I have a friend who studies politics, and of course like any university course, you tackle the subject from many different angels.
There are too many people at goldsmiths to assume everyone's a lefty, a wide range of people and beliefs will help in realising politics isn't black or white. I think no matter where you go you'll find people with similar interests.
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I think there's probably a lot of problems with sweeping generalizations and blanket judgments and statements.
From what I know from friends who have studied there there are some political movements: but that's the same at most universities.

To think all people with left wing views are going to be radical Maoists seems slightly extreme to me.
And even if that were the case, would it not be more constructive to want to debate those groups to ascertain truth and fact, than assume they'll indoctrinate you?

However that said, if someone judges you personally for having an alternate political view or ideology, that person is not your friend...


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The only reason why anyone would think Goldsmiths is not biased is they haven't developed their thinking enough and as such did not articulate their opinions in class or in assignments. If you are conservative leaning and like low marks then go to Goldsmiths.
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The only reason why anyone would think Goldsmiths is not biased is they haven't developed their thinking enough and as such did not articulate their opinions in class or in assignments. If you are conservative leaning and like low marks then go to Goldsmiths.
You're either trolling or have some kind of genuine mental retardation.
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