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    Why do you need to have movement of people to have a trade deal? When people talk about making a trade deal with India with have to allow them here Why?
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    (Original post by karl pilkington)
    Why do you need to have movement of people to have a trade deal? When people talk about making a trade deal with India with have to allow them here Why?
    I don't know, maybe because then India won't agree to it?
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    in civ open borders is bare useful wen u want 2 attak a city but there's another nation in the way. u also get mad tourism points for the culture victory

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    An interesting point you raise, on one hand it's no surprise that people want to come over here, it's far better then most places. However why would the other country, India in this case, want to bleed people to us? Especially the educated ones? The types their country needs? I don't have an answer tbh.

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    Of course we don't need movement of people to go with free trade. Poorer countries with a stronger nationalistic sentiment want it because their expats will take money from the richer country and send it back.
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    (Original post by ThomH97)
    Of course we don't need movement of people to go with free trade. Poorer countries with a stronger nationalistic sentiment want it because their expats will take money from the richer country and send it back.
    Where have they asked for free movement?
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    (Original post by karl pilkington)
    Why do you need to have movement of people to have a trade deal? When people talk about making a trade deal with India with have to allow them here Why?
    Its a myth freedom of movement and trade deals are only binding within the EU. If not we can still trade with India and pay tariffs, no big deal.
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    Its normal for two parties to negotiate a deal where it is mutually beneficial.
    They have asked for visa requirements to be made easier for things like businessmen and workers coming to the UK.
    They arent desperate for a deal and will be negotiating one with the rest of the EU anyway.
    Its already said it will take years, so it may never happen.

    Australia want the same.
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    Freedom of movement is one of the European Union's main freedoms - freedoms which the EU have stated as 'indivisible'.

    Hence, the UK in wanting free access to the Single Market - note access, not membership of - must accept the freedom of movement. However, the deal is yet to be finalised, and although I normally do not agree with anyone in the Labour camp, Tony Blair has made an notable observation - it is in the best interests of the EU to give the UK access to the Single Market, hence, they may be willing to consider a form of restricted free movement, with increased vetting et cetera.

    Regardless, the Brexit negotiations cannot be compared to other bi-lateral trade agreements with other nations; other nations haven't been a member of the EU, agreeing to its acquis communautaire, and cementing relations and footloose industries across border; other nations do not have citizens in other countries who, until now, were protected by unequivocal law.

    A trade deal with India would not result in 'freedom of movement', as the 'bi-lateral agreement' wouldn't incorporate 'unrestricted, quota and tariff-free trade', as it would not be in the best interests of European Union member states.
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    (Original post by karl pilkington)
    Why do you need to have movement of people to have a trade deal? When people talk about making a trade deal with India with have to allow them here Why?
    No you don’t, you can often negotiate lower border controls and even remove visas (usually visiting visas are always removed). 1) it boosts tourism 2) it promotes transfer/balanced skills.

    It’s not usually a fundamental part to most trade deals only the visiting visas since it seems obvious as it’ll certainly boost tourism and hence the economy.

    Freedom of movement as it stands in the EU is unique, it’s a core value to the Single Market since it promotes European identity - the only way to stop European conflict was to promote a system where they would be seen as one, I would say the EU has done a great job at that. It promotes multiculturalism which damages nationalism, countries in the EU can either be powerful by controlling as many nations as possible (you can guess the downsides to this, WW1&2 are just a hint) or by working together and standing together, the founders of the EU (the UK has a strong voice in this) said that this integration and identity as one bloc would be promoted and secured by FMOP.
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    (Original post by zayn008)
    No you don’t, you can often negotiate lower border controls and even remove visas (usually visiting visas are always removed). 1) it boosts tourism 2) it promotes transfer/balanced skills.

    It’s not usually a fundamental part to most trade deals only the visiting visas since it seems obvious as it’ll certainly boost tourism and hence the economy.

    Freedom of movement as it stands in the EU is unique, it’s a core value to the Single Market since it promotes European identity - the only way to stop European conflict was to promote a system where they would be seen as one, I would say the EU has done a great job at that. It promotes multiculturalism which damages nationalism, countries in the EU can either be powerful by controlling as many nations as possible (you can guess the downsides to this, WW1&2 are just a hint) or by working together and standing together, the founders of the EU (the UK has a strong voice in this) said that this integration and identity as one bloc would be promoted and secured by FMOP.
    Yeah that's my point free movement was more of a political thing to create a kind of EU nation state. In a trade deal we would be trading goods and services there is no need to then ope our borders.
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    (Original post by karl pilkington)
    Yeah that's my point free movement was more of a political thing to create a kind of EU nation state. In a trade deal we would be trading goods and services there is no need to then ope our borders.
    No one said there would be? Truth is the U.K. Is lacking in skills and many UK residents move across the EU for employment thanks to the freedoms we enjoyed as members of the EU, so In contrast to their deal with Canada, when it comes to the UK they'll take this into account - EU citizens living and working into the UK, opportunies in the UK created by EU investment, UK citizens taking advantage of EU opportunities and living/working there. So it was a political thing but it did serve economic purposes too as it balanced skills and created opportunies (e.g for people In Poland to move to Germany and get a good paying unskilled job)
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    (Original post by karl pilkington)
    Why do you need to have movement of people to have a trade deal? When people talk about making a trade deal with India with have to allow them here Why?
    Because in an information service based economy (as ours is becoming), people's heads are worth vastly more than widgets and bobins. Not saying fling open the doors, but it is a nightmare to recruit in the booming IT sector in this country.
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    (Original post by karl pilkington)
    Why do you need to have movement of people to have a trade deal? When people talk about making a trade deal with India with have to allow them here Why?
    We're not talking about open borders with India and unrestricted movement, Narendra Modi (Indian PM) wants looser visa restrictions for Indians coming to work to the UK in exchange for any trade deal which isn't the same as free movement of Indians to Britain and vice versa.
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    I've never understood the EU's obsession with free movement and the European Court of Human Rights, a lot of rubbish imo.
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    (Original post by karl pilkington)
    Why do you need to have movement of people to have a trade deal? When people talk about making a trade deal with India with have to allow them here Why?
    We don't have to.


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