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    Wake up FFS! They are dragging out Tony Blair, a Has-Been policitian but who thinks of himself as a great statesman to keep us in (telling us Brexit must be stopped). The EU can't accept the loss of our monetary contribution (they don't have an impressive number of net contributors like the UK), and that will mean they can no longer fund their gravy train funded by the working class. We must ignore him!
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    Agree that what Tony lair did was anti-democratic and disgusting

    its more than a left-right thing, in the dynamic of peasants ( ordinary people the 99 starving maybe less or more who work on the land, factory) vs aristocracy(guy who owns factory, land and is rich) the left USED TO represent the peasants standing together against exploitation from the aristocrats. The aristocracy try to make them as close to slaves as possible without them revolting.

    Trade unions etc were to say right we're not gonna float ur lifestyle while we starve we will quit and you'll have fk all. Also it was about making sure the aristocrats couldn't enforce their tyranny against us by using our own people. E.g using police to threaten those who refuse to be slaves. work dawn 2 dusk 7 days a week, barely enough to eat etc

    HOWEVER left has been highjacked by people who do not stand for working, ordinary people but just pose and do what the aristocrats want.

    so, the "world order" doesn't even need to stop it as their still in control, as long as people listen to the media, as long as armies fight when they say, as long as police enforce their law.
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    (Original post by bigstu99)
    Agree that what Tony lair did was anti-democratic and disgusting

    its more than a left-right thing, in the dynamic of peasants ( ordinary people the 99 starving maybe less or more who work on the land, factory) vs aristocracy(guy who owns factory, land and is rich) the left USED TO represent the peasants standing together against exploitation from the aristocrats. The aristocracy try to make them as close to slaves as possible without them revolting.

    Trade unions etc were to say right we're not gonna float ur lifestyle while we starve we will quit and you'll have fk all. Also it was about making sure the aristocrats couldn't enforce their tyranny against us by using our own people. E.g using police to threaten those who refuse to be slaves. work dawn 2 dusk 7 days a week, barely enough to eat etc

    HOWEVER left has been highjacked by people who do not stand for working, ordinary people but just pose and do what the aristocrats want.

    so, the "world order" doesn't even need to stop it as their still in control, as long as people listen to the media, as long as armies fight when they say, as long as police enforce their law.
    Trying to stop brexit is not anti-democratic.

    99% of Britons aren't starving and don't work in factories. Aristocrats are peers and close relatives and usually they don't own factories. The middle class is the dominant class. The police enforces laws made by an elected parliament. The left doesn't represent peasants and factory workers because there aren't many left anymore.
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    (Original post by Pleasantri)
    Wake up FFS! They are dragging out Tony Blair, a Has-Been policitian but who thinks of himself as a great statesman to keep us in (telling us Brexit must be stopped).
    This should be totally obvious to any sane person and anyone who is even partially awake from the "Matrix" of social conditioning and brainwashing.

    BrExit doesn't exist. It's a huge sham. Those in power are absolutely not going to allow us to leave the EU. They are simply buying time to dream up some great way to reverse the whole thing without it looking un-democratic.
    They know there will be a revolution if they just refuse to take us out of the EU, so they will use all their brainwashing and propaganda and other tactics to try to make us believe BrExit was a bad idea.

    All the major politicians from all main parties have imo been EU stooges for many many years. It all began with Ted Heath.

    Your vote at elections has never mattered. If you voted Tory or Labour you simply voted for the EU. They don't care if the government is blue or red because they are all working silently and stealthily for the EU.
    It's a one big sham, a corrupt cesspit of elitists with global ambitions.

    We absolutely MUST see BrExit through if that is possible (though I seriously doubt it is). We owe it to ourselves to prove whether democracy exists in the UK or not. It clearly doesn't and BrExit is perhaps the greatest bluff call that could have been made.

    They are not going to let us out. They ARE going to find a way to fudge it. It will be interesting to watch how they do it.

    When it happens we need remember only one thing

    Democracy doesn't really exist, it is a pure illusion. We actually live in an growing police state under an increasingly totalitarian Federal States Of Europe.
    Common Purpose put us here and they control all aspects of our society.

    Ultimately there will be revolution.
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    (Original post by PilgrimOfTruth)
    This should be totally obvious to any sane person and anyone who is even partially awake from the "Matrix" of social conditioning and brainwashing.

    BrExit doesn't exist. It's a huge sham. Those in power are absolutely not going to allow us to leave the EU. They are simply buying time to dream up some great way to reverse the whole thing without it looking un-democratic.
    They know there will be a revolution if they just refuse to take us out of the EU, so they will use all their brainwashing and propaganda and other tactics to try to make us believe BrExit was a bad idea.
    I agree they are using all their propaganda techniques, especially the BBC which loves the EU to bits (state funded propaganda which calls other news platforms round the world propaganda)

    (Original post by PilgrimOfTruth)
    All the major politicians from all main parties have imo been EU stooges for many many years. It all began with Ted Heath.
    Very true, they are part of the aristocracy, and will act in their own interest rather than the good of their own country people

    (Original post by PilgrimOfTruth)
    Your vote at elections has never mattered. If you voted Tory or Labour you simply voted for the EU. They don't care if the government is blue or red because they are all working silently and stealthily for the EU.
    It's a one big sham, a corrupt cesspit of elitists with global ambitions.
    Agree that they are working for the EU, not stealthily though, out in the open, because young people have become so indoctrinated its crazy

    (Original post by PilgrimOfTruth)
    We absolutely MUST see BrExit through if that is possible (though I seriously doubt it is). We owe it to ourselves to prove whether democracy exists in the UK or not. It clearly doesn't and BrExit is perhaps the greatest bluff call that could have been made.

    They are not going to let us out. They ARE going to find a way to fudge it. It will be interesting to watch how they do it.
    IMO they probably won't block it outright but they'll eventually find a different way of screwing us

    (Original post by PilgrimOfTruth)
    When it happens we need remember only one thing

    Democracy doesn't really exist, it is a pure illusion. We actually live in an growing police state under an increasingly totalitarian Federal States Of Europe.
    Common Purpose put us here and they control all aspects of our society.
    Agree completely.

    (Original post by PilgrimOfTruth)
    Ultimately there will be revolution.
    I diagree (Sadly) I don't think there will,
    1. because the young people of the UK now aren't brave like those of WW1 and WW2, what we've got now is a bunch of young hippies, soft cowardly sheep, who have never stood up to anything in their entire life, and never will just do what ur told arse lickers.

    2. They are so far indoctrinated and blindly follow state funded propaganda (e.g. BBC) theres no hope, I mean if they will vote against the interests of themselves and their own country because the BBC told them that's what "educated" people should do what hope is there.

    They will even believe that women should be allowed to kill their baby just hours before its born, if thats what the media tells them is "liberal" and anyone who disagrees is "regressive"

    Especially the new generation of kids growing up now whose grandparents didn't fight in WW1 or WW2
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    (Original post by usualsuspects)
    Trying to stop brexit is not anti-democratic.
    trying to overturn the democratic vote of the people because it's not what you wanted is the most anti- democratic thing that can be done. It's no different to taking the vote off everyone and just being a full blown dictatorship

    (Original post by usualsuspects)
    99% of Britons aren't starving and don't work in factories. Aristocrats are peers and close relatives and usually they don't own factories. The middle class is the dominant class. The police enforces laws made by an elected parliament. The left doesn't represent peasants and factory workers because there aren't many left anymore.
    Obviously, that was an anolgy to show the historic dynamic that continues. It's not medieval times with the fuedal system, or victorian times where poor boys are chimney sweeps,

    However there is still a working and ruling class, yes the middle class is there which is good news and provides benefits to society as a whole, but that's only exists to offer an incentive to contribute more as there's a global competition for power. E.g the middle class of engineers etc needs to be there to make the ruling class even more wealthy and powerful,

    just look at the civil engineering in victorian times, It benefited a lot of us e.g. trains, sewage systems, but it also gave the ruling class greater wealth and power both internationally as well as helped tighten grip over it's own people.

    But the "left" used to represents working people , both parties are just there for the benefit of the ruling class now. In my opinion
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    (Original post by bigstu99)
    trying to overturn the democratic vote of the people because it's not what you wanted is the most anti- democratic thing that can be done. It's no different to taking the vote off everyone and just being a full blown dictatorship



    Obviously, that was an anolgy to show the historic dynamic that continues. It's not medieval times with the fuedal system, or victorian times where poor boys are chimney sweeps,

    However there is still a working and ruling class, yes the middle class is there which is good news and provides benefits to society as a whole, but that's only exists to offer an incentive to contribute more as there's a global competition for power. E.g the middle class of engineers etc needs to be there to make the ruling class even more wealthy and powerful,

    just look at the civil engineering in victorian times, It benefited a lot of us e.g. trains, sewage systems, but it also gave the ruling class greater wealth and power both internationally as well as helped tighten grip over it's own people.

    But the "left" used to represents working people , both parties are just there for the benefit of the ruling class now. In my opinion
    We are not under a tyranny of the majority. The minority has all the right to fight in support of its position and try to change people's minds, that's what democracy is about. Don't worry, they'll need to convince either the majority of parliament or the majority of Britons before breversal can happen, so there you have democracy.
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    (Original post by usualsuspects)
    We are not under a tyranny of the majority. The minority has all the right to fight in support of its position and try to change people's minds, that's what democracy is about. .
    The fundamental aspect of democracy is to give people choices and allow them to vote on those choices.

    Democracy was cast aside when our corrupt EU stooge politicians took us into the EU without any consultation, without any referendum. They did it stealthily, agreeing EU Treaties without consulting the populous. Treaties which affected every citizen of the country, their sovereignty, the law system they are bound by, the chain of command, their lives.

    THAT my friend is tyranny/dictatorship.

    How can a supposedly democratic system permit the government/parliament/monarchy to DICTATE that I will no longer be a BRITISH citizen and instead be a "nothing person" assimilated into a huge EU collective?

    You are trying and failing to defend the indefensible.

    Our country has been usurped by EU stooges using Common Purpose.

    We have now had a referendum on the EU issue and we voted to get out.

    If democracy exists, then we will be permitted to leave and we can start the long process of putting right all of the wrongs that have been perpetrated including restoring the British Constitution so this treasonous skulduggery can never happen again.

    If democracy is a total illusion and we live in a tyranny/dictatorship then BrExit will be fudged and/or reversed.

    What are we seeing?

    A lot of delaying and stalling. Where we should have gotten on with the process and been ready to leave, we are now having to ask for Transition periods which will cost us tons of money.

    We see Corbyn trying to scupper BrExit having done a complete U-Turn.

    We see Tony BLiar has been wheeled out to try and convince people to reverse BrExit

    And all of this Billy BS will continually ramp up because the truth is, we don't have democracy at all. The BrExit referendum was the biggest bluff call that could have been made. We're basically saying, we don't believe there is true democracy and to prove it we are voting to leave the EU. We know you won't allow us to properly leave and thereby will we see the truth about the dictatorship and corrupt rule of Common Purpose stooges.

    Now the elite have a propaganda war to fight. They must stall long enough to convince us all that we made a mistake and that we voluntarily want to stop BrExit.

    Good luck with that !
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    (Original post by PilgrimOfTruth)
    The fundamental aspect of democracy is to give people choices and allow them to vote on those choices.

    Democracy was cast aside when our corrupt EU stooge politicians took us into the EU without any consultation, without any referendum. They did it stealthily, agreeing EU Treaties without consulting the populous. Treaties which affected every citizen of the country, their sovereignty, the law system they are bound by, the chain of command, their lives.

    THAT my friend is tyranny/dictatorship.

    How can a supposedly democratic system permit the government/parliament/monarchy to DICTATE that I will no longer be a BRITISH citizen and instead be a "nothing person" assimilated into a huge EU collective?

    You are trying and failing to defend the indefensible.

    Our country has been usurped by EU stooges using Common Purpose.

    We have now had a referendum on the EU issue and we voted to get out.

    If democracy exists, then we will be permitted to leave and we can start the long process of putting right all of the wrongs that have been perpetrated including restoring the British Constitution so this treasonous skulduggery can never happen again.

    If democracy is a total illusion and we live in a tyranny/dictatorship then BrExit will be fudged and/or reversed.

    What are we seeing?

    A lot of delaying and stalling. Where we should have gotten on with the process and been ready to leave, we are now having to ask for Transition periods which will cost us tons of money.

    We see Corbyn trying to scupper BrExit having done a complete U-Turn.

    We see Tony BLiar has been wheeled out to try and convince people to reverse BrExit

    And all of this Billy BS will continually ramp up because the truth is, we don't have democracy at all. The BrExit referendum was the biggest bluff call that could have been made. We're basically saying, we don't believe there is true democracy and to prove it we are voting to leave the EU. We know you won't allow us to properly leave and thereby will we see the truth about the dictatorship and corrupt rule of Common Purpose stooges.

    Now the elite have a propaganda war to fight. They must stall long enough to convince us all that we made a mistake and that we voluntarily want to stop BrExit.

    Good luck with that !
    I repeat that Blair and other Remainers have every right to campaign for breversal and try to convince people to change their mind.

    Yes, the elite is fighting a propaganda war against (hard) brexit, I hope we win.

    What you said about the EU has nothing to do with our previous discussion. And it is partly wrong: European citizens are also citizens of their national state; if you want your kind democracy kill the queen and write a Constitution that says sovereignty belongs to the people and not to parliament; the UK opted out of much of the EU regulations and Cameron had secured a deal for further flexibility; government (or eventually parliament) signing international treaties doesn't mean tyranny, it's how it has always worked in liberal and democratic states (although I agree it is sometimes abused and I dislike international law as well).
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    (Original post by usualsuspects)
    I repeat that Blair and other Remainers have every right to campaign for breversal and try to convince people to change their mind.
    I disagree. They are free to do it AFTER BrExit has been carried out.

    Can you imagine what would happen if Looney Labour were free to campaign to stop the Tories from entering No10 after the recent election had resulted in them gaining the most seats and votes?

    You can not go against the majority vote. The purpose of the vote is to determine an outcome. If that outcome is not then put in place, you don't have a democracy. The Tories won the democratic election, so the Tories are in No 10. The Leavers won the democratic referendum, so the UK MUST be taken out of the EU. No amount of campaigning should be permitted to stop that process, otherwise we don't have democracy, simple as.


    (Original post by usualsuspects)
    Yes, the elite is fighting a propaganda war against (hard) brexit, I hope we win.
    There is no hard or soft BrExit, those terms are a sham. There is only BrExit.
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    (Original post by PilgrimOfTruth)
    I disagree. They are free to do it AFTER BrExit has been carried out.
    We live in a democracy, they can do it whenever they please

    (Original post by PilgrimOfTruth)
    You can not go against the majority vote. The purpose of the vote is to determine an outcome. If that outcome is not then put in place, you don't have a democracy. The Tories won the democratic election, so the Tories are in No 10. The Leavers won the democratic referendum, so the UK MUST be taken out of the EU. No amount of campaigning should be permitted to stop that process, otherwise we don't have democracy, simple as.
    You seem to be under the assumption that people are unable to change their minds, why are you so scared of remainers campaigning to stay in the EU if the result is watertight?
    The claims Vote Leave and Leave.EU made during the referendum (£350m a week for the NHS, retain our place in the single market, Advocating the Norway/EEC model et al) must be held up to scrutiny. If (and IMO, when) those claims turn out to be nothing more than a fart in the wind then the people if they want to change their mind, should be allowed that opportunity

    Just a side note, you have a really funny definition of democracy
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    (Original post by PilgrimOfTruth)
    I disagree. They are free to do it AFTER BrExit has been carried out.

    Can you imagine what would happen if Looney Labour were free to campaign to stop the Tories from entering No10 after the recent election had resulted in them gaining the most seats and votes?

    You can not go against the majority vote. The purpose of the vote is to determine an outcome. If that outcome is not then put in place, you don't have a democracy. The Tories won the democratic election, so the Tories are in No 10. The Leavers won the democratic referendum, so the UK MUST be taken out of the EU. No amount of campaigning should be permitted to stop that process, otherwise we don't have democracy, simple as.




    There is no hard or soft BrExit, those terms are a sham. There is only BrExit.
    You are confused about democracy.
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    Yes indeed the left and elites are trying to subvert the referendum result. They say people can change their minds, lies were told etc etc and a new vote is needed.

    Well this is true for every election. The Tories lied during the general election, so I've changed my mind and feel I should have voted labour. So let's undo the general election and have a new general election.
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    (Original post by dickwhittington)
    You seem to be under the assumption that people are unable to change their minds, why are you so scared of remainers campaigning to stay in the EU if the result is watertight?
    The result was watertight. The majority voted to leave, end of discussion.

    All that remains to be seen now is whether we do actually live in a democracy, in which case we WILL be taken properly out of the EU, or whether we actually live in a dictatorship which operates using a sham illusory democracy to dupe the masses.

    Imagine if Labour had won the recent election (hard I know) and then the Tory supporters were permitted to reverse that democratic vote and force another election BEFORE Labour had been permitted to enter No 10. It would be utterly farcical.
 
 
 
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