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    People get addicted, it’s unrealistic, it sends a bad message to girls, it gives guys unrealistic expectations of sex, it gives the pleasure without the human touch, many porn actors are abused or taken advantage of, it leads to many people over sexualising women and degrading them to just sex toys, I’m sure it chemically harms your brain too with the whole dopamine thing… Most people can’t even go a month without it. Use your imagination next time, you’ll feel better.
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    (Original post by Little Toy Gun)
    They were popular but not seen as a high form of entertainment, just like pop music and indeed porn today.

    They ARE the same issue because both are ignorance built up by the media. But sure, randomly call me a racist because you have no actual arguments to offer.

    Whilst the average person is not likely to travel much, you are imagining a world where immigrants don't exist, where international relations don't exist. Why are there so much support for a wall between the US and Mexico? Did most Americans travel to Mexico and made an informed decision based on that? Why are black people suffering more from unemployment? How did negative or indeed any racial stereotype that comes with discrimination penetrate so deeply still? Held so tightly still? If I'm somehow racist for acknowledging that pop culture contributes much to racism, you are certainly more racist to suggest that racism is not an everyday issue if someone doesn't travel.

    Putting aside the fact that you have the burden of proof to show that porn has given people an actual unrealistic expectation, it's still largely a non-issue. At the end of the day, every person has their own sexual preferences so even real life experiences don't apply necessarily; and people have to be good at sex with experience built up anyway, just like with *everything else*.

    And I see you have avoided the topic of unrealistic romance altogether now. If your argument is that sex is an everyday issue whilst racism is somehow not, you at least have to acknowledge that romance is an everyday issue.
    Firstly, theatre was not declasse entertainment. Even the Queen partook and visited the Globe for the (perhaps not so noble outing) of bear baiting.
    To suggest that Queen Elizabeth I would partake in anything publicly that was not of good standing would be a fallacy.

    Endemic racism through the media and media portrayal of 'happily ever after' are not the same issue. They have something in common in that the media has skewed them- but resolving one does not resolve the other. They both have historically different stories where one of them involved slavery. You cannot compare the struggles of POC with how the media portrays relationships.

    How does porn give us unrealistic ideas of sexual relationships? Take Japan for example. Japan's birthrate is falling dramatically. There are a number of factors for this including the expense of property and the working culture but another factor is Otaku culture.
    A survey of Japanese people aged 18-33 found that around 70% of these people were not in a relationship and moreover that 40% of these had never had sexual contact.
    Japans porn industry is bigger than anywhere else in the world. And legitimised via popular manga and hentai which people openly read on the train.
    In a country where your every sexual whim can be found in paper or on DVD, the reality of sex and relationships passes many by and they are instead invested in icons or host/hostesses. Regarding your point about unrealistic romance- how is somebody who finds tentacle porn arousing going to find an octopus with cute eyes who is going to love them?
    The prevalence of novelty porn over actual sex, combined with a repressive sex education program and censorship means that Japan is potentially in lots of trouble due to it's dwindling population.

    Building a healthy and satisfying sex life is harder when you don't have a good foundation to start from.
    It's like learning a language via memorising words from a dictionary but not knowing how to use grammar.
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    (Original post by Edward Tomanek)
    What country is this?
    UK.
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    Little Toy Gun Did your really compare orange juice addiction to porn addiction... I have never heard of orange juice addiction. I have however heard of many porn addiction cases as well as women being treated badly also only because people are treated people bad elsewhere. Furthermore I believe rape and other bad things occur because of porn.
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    (Original post by justme3991)
    I'm curious I was looking at something yesterday someone was trying to shame men who watch porn or say that porn degrades women? But what I don't get is don't women and men watch porn? I thought porn was like masturbation etc... I mean I thought it was only natural to like watch. I am actually a virgin and in my mid to early 20's by choice. But have always watched porn since I was 15 and the porn I watched never had women in it to begin with it. So I don't see how it degrades women? Also does porn degrade men too then? Especially men on men porn? I remember when I was younger than 15 I still managed to find a way to find pornographic material. as young as 13 I believe. I don't see how one would say though it's terrible to be one who watches porn? And how is porn wrong for women or men?those who watch or those who make it for that matter?
    Yes it's wrong. Porn is evil. Unless it's made my company.
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    I find it absolutely repulsing and would never watch it but each to their own.
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    it is very wrong to watch porn I suppose - it provides those who do enjoy watching porn on a daily a false interpretation of sex which to an extent enhances the negative psychological effects on a person. For example, most males who do watch porn often describe it as "pleasing" due to them being in control of a female as porn does not involve touching or emotional attachment towards the partner and is in fact not "reality" so I guess it just messes up with your head and all.
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    (Original post by ashaxo99)
    if you think about it, pornography is similar to organised, recorded prostitution where women are still exploited, despite their reasons for entering the industry in the first place (most likely money incentives). the man's face is rarely ever shown and most focus is on the woman, which may also explain why she maybe gets paid more. there is a whole argument about pornography setting unrealistic standards for women's bodies and how sex lives should be, but has also produced a disassociation where a lot of male porn addicts view women as nothing more than sex objects. often in porn there is no form of "real love" or caressing or any types of real intimacy, and with porn-viewing being such a wide phenomenon, some people worry that this could lead to the further mistreatment of relationships being seen as purely a selfish thing for our own sexual gratification.

    i watched a TED talk on this once. whilst i personally don't think there's anything wrong with watching porn, it was really interesting to hear someone speaking on this topic and I totally suggest people check it out

    https://youtu.be/gRJ_QfP2mhU

    I watched the video it was really interesting and will probably watch more now on the topic. What I don't understand is how people like Little Toy Gun apparently a masters holder from Oxbridge compares these addictions to of orange juice. Furthermore the video you mentioned has many great points such as how many commit suicide, social death and the bad effects it has on society. I find this all very interesting and the type of world we are living in when the richest 8 people are wealthiest as the poorest 50%. Where children commit murders a good example Blood diamonds in Sierra Leone.

    I was just wondering do you guys think masturbation is wrong? There is so much confusion about dopamine and how people say it is good and bad and the conflicting reports. Obviously this would be the case as the porn industry is worth a lot. Also Dominoes how do you last so long brother?! I think I need to join the No fap society
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    (Original post by RetroGuy1979)
    Degrades women? What about the W*ores and s*ags who star in it?
    It degrades them further
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    (Original post by Emz99)
    I watched the video it was really interesting and will probably watch more now on the topic. What I don't understand is how people like Little Toy Gun apparently a masters holder from Oxbridge compares these addictions to of orange juice. Furthermore the video you mentioned has many great points such as how many commit suicide, social death and the bad effects it has on society. I find this all very interesting and the type of world we are living in when the richest 8 people are wealthiest as the poorest 50%. Where children commit murders a good example Blood diamonds in Sierra Leone.

    I was just wondering do you guys think masturbation is wrong? There is so much confusion about dopamine and how people say it is good and bad and the conflicting reports. Obviously this would be the case as the porn industry is worth a lot. Also Dominoes how do you last so long brother?! I think I need to join the No fap society
    Masturbation is natural and to an extent porn is too (the kama sutra originated a loooong time ago). What is not right is when you're addicted to either and the ethical state of the porn industry.

    Masturbating is a great way to prepare your body for sexual contact. How can you ask somebody to get you off if you don't know how to do it yourself?

    But as with everything, it shouldn't get in the way of your day to day life.
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    There's a difference between moderate porn consumption and addiction. Of course it is bad if you get addicted but for the vast majority of people who watch porn- their lives are in now way negatively impacted. It definitely is healthy to masturbate regularly frequently (multiple times a week).
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    (Original post by Emz99)
    I watched the video it was really interesting and will probably watch more now on the topic. What I don't understand is how people like Little Toy Gun apparently a masters holder from Oxbridge compares these addictions to of orange juice. Furthermore the video you mentioned has many great points such as how many commit suicide, social death and the bad effects it has on society. I find this all very interesting and the type of world we are living in when the richest 8 people are wealthiest as the poorest 50%. Where children commit murders a good example Blood diamonds in Sierra Leone.

    I was just wondering do you guys think masturbation is wrong? There is so much confusion about dopamine and how people say it is good and bad and the conflicting reports. Obviously this would be the case as the porn industry is worth a lot. Also Dominoes how do you last so long brother?! I think I need to join the No fap society
    I compare them because they are both addictions. You can argue that an orange juice addiction is not as problematic as porn addiction, but my point all along is that you cannot use data draw addicts and say it's the general/common experience.
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    (Original post by Friffinghell)
    Firstly, theatre was not declasse entertainment. Even the Queen partook and visited the Globe for the (perhaps not so noble outing) of bear baiting.
    To suggest that Queen Elizabeth I would partake in anything publicly that was not of good standing would be a fallacy.

    Endemic racism through the media and media portrayal of 'happily ever after' are not the same issue. They have something in common in that the media has skewed them- but resolving one does not resolve the other. They both have historically different stories where one of them involved slavery. You cannot compare the struggles of POC with how the media portrays relationships.

    How does porn give us unrealistic ideas of sexual relationships? Take Japan for example. Japan's birthrate is falling dramatically. There are a number of factors for this including the expense of property and the working culture but another factor is Otaku culture.
    A survey of Japanese people aged 18-33 found that around 70% of these people were not in a relationship and moreover that 40% of these had never had sexual contact.
    Japans porn industry is bigger than anywhere else in the world. And legitimised via popular manga and hentai which people openly read on the train.
    In a country where your every sexual whim can be found in paper or on DVD, the reality of sex and relationships passes many by and they are instead invested in icons or host/hostesses. Regarding your point about unrealistic romance- how is somebody who finds tentacle porn arousing going to find an octopus with cute eyes who is going to love them?
    The prevalence of novelty porn over actual sex, combined with a repressive sex education program and censorship means that Japan is potentially in lots of trouble due to it's dwindling population.

    Building a healthy and satisfying sex life is harder when you don't have a good foundation to start from.
    It's like learning a language via memorising words from a dictionary but not knowing how to use grammar.
    This is a really good post - full of insights!
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    (Original post by Dominoes)
    that ain't a phd and nah 100% related and you never read the books go get said things and come back to me
    Name a particular study and I will dissect it for you. I don't have the time or the energy to read everything and write a critique for each of them, especially when you're very clearly not listening to begin with.

    As a gesture of good will, I will do this one for you: the Your Brain On Porn site is entirely about addiction, not porn-watching per se. All the studies, as far as I can tell, are about what happens if you are addicted to porn, not what happens if you watch porn casually.
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    (Original post by Friffinghell)
    Firstly, theatre was not declasse entertainment. Even the Queen partook and visited the Globe for the (perhaps not so noble outing) of bear baiting.
    To suggest that Queen Elizabeth I would partake in anything publicly that was not of good standing would be a fallacy.
    Queen Elizabeth and indeed no monarchs visited The Globe. There's this weird myth going about how Elizabeth I really liked Shakespeare and even wrote for him - it's a myth.

    King James was the one who really liked theatre and actively partake in it.

    You know what else King Jame took part in? Sodomy. And everyone knew about it. Are you suggesting homosexuality was of good standing because His Majesty was also doing it?

    (Original post by Friffinghell)
    Endemic racism through the media and media portrayal of 'happily ever after' are not the same issue. They have something in common in that the media has skewed them- but resolving one does not resolve the other. They both have historically different stories where one of them involved slavery. You cannot compare the struggles of POC with how the media portrays relationships.
    An accurate portrayal of love and sex will also not "solve" the love and sex issue. You can hardly teach love and sex is very personal and depends on individual preferences.

    (Original post by Friffinghell)
    How does porn give us unrealistic ideas of sexual relationships? Take Japan for example. Japan's birthrate is falling dramatically. There are a number of factors for this including the expense of property and the working culture but another factor is Otaku culture.
    A survey of Japanese people aged 18-33 found that around 70% of these people were not in a relationship and moreover that 40% of these had never had sexual contact.
    Japans porn industry is bigger than anywhere else in the world. And legitimised via popular manga and hentai which people openly read on the train.
    In a country where your every sexual whim can be found in paper or on DVD, the reality of sex and relationships passes many by and they are instead invested in icons or host/hostesses. Regarding your point about unrealistic romance- how is somebody who finds tentacle porn arousing going to find an octopus with cute eyes who is going to love them?
    The prevalence of novelty porn over actual sex, combined with a repressive sex education program and censorship means that Japan is potentially in lots of trouble due to it's dwindling population.

    Building a healthy and satisfying sex life is harder when you don't have a good foundation to start from.
    It's like learning a language via memorising words from a dictionary but not knowing how to use grammar.
    Oh. So it's all just speculation?

    Even you yourself pointed out the reasons why people are not having sex in Japan - the costs of living, parents tolerating those man-children, a hugely conservative society where sex is a big taboo etc. What evidence exactly do you have to suggest pornography has anything at all to do with that?

    To add on that, you are mixing up pop culture and porn - unrealistic expectations of the female bodies in Japan are largely perpetuated by pop culture. The huge boobs in animes, for example. Those are not porn.

    Octopus with cute eyes? How about bagel heads then? That's not porn and that's still giving people a weird fetish version of sexual attraction.
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    (Original post by Little Toy Gun)
    Do you have trouble reading?

    The "chemicals" your brain releases when you're watching porn are:

    dopamine - it's a chemical the brain releases as a reward. Humans get them when they eat something good, listen to a good song, meet a person you like, fall in love etc. Are you going to stop having good food because it turns out having good food is just as bad as watching porn?

    norepinephrine - you get it when you're asked a question, when you're making a presentation, when you're writing an assignment etc. Are you going to drop out of school since apparently it's just as bad as watching porn?

    Having these two kinds of chemicals are good for you - not negative - because they prevent depression, and ironically make you less likely to fall for addiction.

    All the other chemicals are released whenever one has sex. Are we going to not have sex altogether?
    Just cause something makes you feel happy doesn't mean it's good for you, I don't think you know what you're talking about.
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    (Original post by Nathan Scott)
    Just cause something makes you feel happy doesn't mean it's good for you, I don't think you know what you're talking about.
    So I see you do have trouble reading.

    I did not say porn is good for you, or that because it makes you happy, it's good for you.

    What I did point out was simply that all the so-called chemicals released when you watch porn get released whenever you do anything that makes you happy. Those things can include eating, reading, listening to music, loving someone, walking in a park, breathing in fresh air, looking at the sun etc.

    You don't have to do something only because it is "good for you" - listening to music isn't necessarily "good for you". You don't become a better person, you don't get an illness cured after listening to Ed Sheeran, and you don't live longer just because a song was played.

    And is it somehow wrong to listen to music even though you don't become a changed person doing it?

    The porn is that if getting those "chemicals" is per se bad, then doing anything that makes you happy is also bad. Because all of them cause the release of the exact same chemicals. Now, they could be something detrimental to your health, such as going for extreme games, or getting high. But you will need to establish how that action in itself is bad for you.

    Getting those chemicals is not bad for you. Getting high is not bad for you because it makes you happy, but because the drugs could interact with your organs directly.

    You have shown a complete ignorance of the nature of those "chemicals" and resorted to the scare tactic of simply using the word "chemical" to justify your stance.

    You are the one who has absolutely, completely no idea what you are talking about.
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    (Original post by Little Toy Gun)
    Name a particular study and I will dissect it for you. I don't have the time or the energy to read everything and write a critique for each of them, especially when you're very clearly not listening to begin with.

    As a gesture of good will, I will do this one for you: the Your Brain On Porn site is entirely about addiction, not porn-watching per se. All the studies, as far as I can tell, are about what happens if you are addicted to porn, not what happens if you watch porn casually.
    Ah come on pal I haven't got time for this nonsense. Have to agree to disagree etc. In my experience porn has had 0 positive effect on my life. For me watching porn is is like eating a kebab with all the trimmings. Yeah 3 times a year is fine-ish but 3 times a day for 8 years no way.

    How about this tell me why I should give up my 100 day streak? And watch porn 3x a day forever?

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    Because it provides unrealistic expectations that ones partner should know where to put it
 
 
 
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